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Array 2018 LtBarclay 12/27/2017 (Wed) 06:07:08 No. 415
>>39719

Alrighty, space banditos. We've had the poll up for awhile, and had lots of responses. I'm going to go through them one by one and explain the pros and cons..then, you guys talk about it for a few days. We're coming up on a magical 100,000 posts, let's make sure we make the right choice on the array for that milestone.

Perks Model 31.5%: The most popular choice, unfortunately this model instills a "someone else will contribute" mentality. As I've seen in the past, when you give the user the choice between contributing or not, they will choose not most of the time. I don't believe this option has any chance of long term success. That's not to say I won't try it if that's what you guys want, but hear me out: no one is a hard-core user of the array. People pop in, they pop out. Having perks -sounds- nice until you realize very few people stay in the channel enough to fully utilize those perks. I don't think miners/donators would get enough 'value' to make their computing power 'worth' it to them compared to the standard user experience.
Freemium model 18.8%: The second most popular choice. This model ensures that at a minimum, half of the database requires contribution of some kind in order to request it. I think this model has a decent, if somewhat low, chance of success. It would definitely be a slow burn acquiring miners/donators, as they know all they have to do to get what they want is wait a week for the list to rotate their desired videos to free.
Keeping the array as it is 14.6%: The third most popular choice. This is definitely the easiest thing to do. Only having the array run for a couple of days once or twice a month max doesn't really impact our hosting costs, but it also doesn't utilize the array to it's fullest site-supporting potential. It does end the debate on whether the array should be able to support itself, or the site for the matter.
Minimum-mining model: This option strikes a nice balance between keeping everything free to request, and making sure the array generates a minimum amount of return. We could start off small, something like the equivalent of just two 1070's worth of hashrate at any given time, and the array would remain online 24/7.
Figure out an easier way to donate 6.1%: Not going to happen. Staying anonymous ain't easy.
It's time to stop 4.5%: I will admit I have thought this many times. While this option was only a small portion of the results…. it stands out.
Single use model 1.3%: Appears to be wildly unpopular, and ruins the original purpose of the array
Allow donations in XMR: Done. Added address to donation page.
P2P: No. The array was created to free ourselves from the risk of P2P.
Simple ads on the site 0.3%: Tried it. No ad service that pays in cryptocurrency pays anything decent. We once ran an ad campaign for 3 weeks and made 38 cents.

My missive on the current state of filesharing:

https://bbw-chan.nl/arrayfaq.html

The poll in question:

http://www.rkursem.com/poll/view.php?id=585a694260010afce
So this might be a stupid question, but how do you login or even contribute ha? Thanks btw :D
MAB seems to be giving me like 20kBps. Anyone got a workaround?
Array A has crashed. We need reboot please.
What do you use to compress things? I am guessing handbrake but what program do you use to render the videos?
Are you guys having trouble connecting to the array like I am?
>>419
That's definitely a problem local to you.
>>420
Done.
>>421
Eh? Handbrake, yes. It renders and compresses. If you're talking about the previews, MTN.
>>422
We hit the upload/download limit on MAB. VPN restart and we should be good to go now.
FODUPLOADPAST seems to be busted at the moment.
I am having trouble downloading the MAB files from the Array. It quickly goes to a 100% on the screen but then doesn't download. Anyone else has that problem (and knows how to fix it..?)
(Error: xhr poll error) Not sure if its only me
Does anyone know how to view videos marked with "HB", or the file format?
>>427
X265, VLC can play them.
Barclay, I just want to say that I really appreciate the array reopening. It's a great way to start a new year. Thank you.
Fantastic job as ever Barclay.
What would it take to keep the Array up permanently out of interest? You've probably already answered this, but TLDR.
What kind of monthly cost would you be looking at for a reliable array?
can someone post link to latest you have uploads list pleasE until they still valid. i had only up to 29 of december. that left in your browser tab
>>430
My last offer was if someone donated enough to run the array for a year, I would do just that. The old single thread version of the array cost $20/month. The new split instance version costs $30/month.

I am about to add many more crypto donation options… perhaps some kind soul will make the pledge.
>>432
If you add ETH I'll donate
>>432
If people can get a free database of porn they'll take it for free. That's a given.
Have you considered adding perks, like donators can use their login to queue 3 files simultaneously? Just an idea.
Torrents seem like they might be a more sensible option. Seeders are less likely to drop off if we can keep a central database of magnet links, so they don't get lost in old postings.
>>40785
Added.

>>40790

Added that option to the poll in OP.

>>435
I'm not willing to have my entire database open to the internet, VPN or not. No one seeds forever. The existence of private trackers should tell you everything you need to know about the safety of long-term seeding of copyrighted material.
Agree, I don't think torrent is a good option.
why didn't link shortners work?
>>436
As soon as my fucking wallet updates I'll be able to donate lol. Idk what's up with my Mist.
How do you login?
Personally I like the holiday and celebratory spins of the array. It helps when we get a premature DCMA on a files.fm and doesn't really impact the sharing.

I also get that there is a cost implication to it though and think we should mine whilst using it, and also give the option to just mine for the site in general.

It's never been that busy that I have thought screw this and i always grab a foduploadpast and take a few from there whilst on. Works well enough having it online from time to time.
>>441
"also give the option to just mine for the site in general"

this
oh hey @ltbarclay could we get a new red warning message telling people to stop using files.fm? like we used to have for myairbridge?

https://bbw-chan.nl/gen/res/2748.html#2762
As an atypical user (uninterested in videos; looking for photosets) I'd like to at least chime in on this thread rather than creating a marginal poll-choice. I'm philosophically opposed to crypto-mining or -support; I'm also well aware of the cost/benefit ledger for hosting even the array. I voted dumbfuck "Free" because I can imagine no other method by which we'd get new content, unless we have regular contributors who are also capable of paying models for the content they steal. I'm selling my hobbies off to make bills, or I'd buy a bunch of what I like and find a way to get it up here and so say "See, like this?" whilst also kicking back the same cash outlay to LtBarclay to hopefully help it stay available. That's probably not going to cover costs, though, so maybe he has to shut it down and host a sort of 'telethon', PBS-style, to get enough people to donate enough to pay the next three, six months' hosting costs, and maybe make himself a little at the same time.

I want it to live. I don't want it to have unrealistic barriers to universal, basic access. A private torrent tracker could conceivably offload a lot of bandwidth to participating members, eh what? Diligent scouring of the nets for suitable large-file-transfer http sites could help cover what's not seeded, with the implicit understanding that it needs to be, for some specific time period or longer. This is garbage off the top of my head, but however it has to be accomplished, I want it accomplished in such a fashion as to:
A. Not create barriers for new users to download a few sets of their favourites and THEN be compelled to contribute for anything further;
B. Not require participation in cryptocurrency schemes full-stop;
C. Somehow collect enough whilst sufficiently reducing hosting-costs as to provide our Host with some worthwhile fiscal compensation; and
D. uhhh
Sorry if this has been answered before, but how much does the array add to the annual site budget?
>>438
They were either scams (coinurl) or blatantly tried to push grayware/malware.

>>443
Done.

>>444
Well said. In a perfect world, the array would still be online, 100% free, completely supported by donations. After running it for a year, I can say that will never happen. If you offer something for free, 99.9% of people will take it and run.

>>445
$20-$30, depending on some factors.
Sounds like the real hurdle is covering the site's hosting costs. Maybe you could reopen the array when a donation quota is met. As an incentive to keep the site running

Fewer donation requests means less apathy.
>>447
I missed the annual part, it's $20-$30/month so it's an extra ~$300 a year for the array.
>>>39719
I like the minimum mining model. Seems like a good balance.
how do you log in? A bit confused
>>450
Uh, we're not running right now. We're talking about what to do the next time it's up.
"Convert to a single use model. If someone makes a donation, a private array is spun up for just that user for some amount of time, say 72 hours, where they are always #1 in the queue."
This was my vote. Kind of like the bbwlover.net model (He seems to be gone, but I suspect that's more of a piracy issue, but I dunno).

Kind of scuttlebutts the chan, but how about making the array the sole repository for download links and then:
Monthly subscription required for non contributors. Up-voted subscription status for contributors (So some troll doesn't throw up one shitty Layla La Shell video from the 80's and expect full lifetime access).

If you can keep it around five bucks you can separate the men from he boys. I got hundreds of dollars worth of stuff off bbwlover.net by paying the minimum premium charge with zero regrets.

Having the array run for free is wonderful dream and of course the absolute ideal. But the whole "I never pay for porn (or anything else the internet provides)" concept doesn't really advance much. Sometimes you should pay to play. I benefited from the free array and if I knew the array had something that I really 'needed', I would pay.** I pay for the stuff I don't feel like waiting for. Everything else is gravy.

** There is an limit of 6 bucks for single videos and 20 bucks for subscriptions if they have 10 or more videos. After that, I start looking for freebies.
I know the thing with anonymity, But for me the biggest obstacle which causes me not being able to support the array is the Cryptocurrency part. I don't use any of those, have zero experience and feel those are way too unpredictable and complicated things.(Plus all the scams related to those)

If there was more simplier way to support I would definitely do it.
>>452
Nah, this pay-to-play BS will never fly. Esp not subscription stuff. The board is the lifeblood of the array. You shunt everything into the array, and the board will die, guaranteed.


>>453
I get it, what with all the malware bitcoin hostage shit, but you have to admit: we've paid our registration and hosting costs with bitcoin for an entire year.

Yes, the price has fluctuated. But the ability to pay our costs, 100% anonymously, to a company in another country, isn't uncertain. That ability has kept us up and running, with no fear, for over a year. How do you feel about directly mining that currency? Are you still opposed to that?
>>454
>How do you feel about directly
>mining that currency? Are you still
>opposed to that?

No, I could mine in theory if it's not too complicated to set up, but the problem probably is that my computer is 5 years old and not very powerfull even back then. And what I've understood you would need atleast powerfull modern GPU for mining.
>>455
I make around $70 USD a month mining but as you point out, I already happened to have a good gpu. The other problem is that I technically currently have Ethereum, but my Mist wallet shows empty so I can't donate any of it here yet.
>>456
Been saying that for some time, I'd be worried if I were you.

Ok explorers, I need a few good men to test the new system. Hit me up in discord and I'll arrange access. We're moving forward with a hybrid mining + link shortener system. I want to see if the new system feels right before I release it to the general public.

Here's what happens: instead of mining and accumulating a balance which you can then deduct from when you request videos, all mining is done when the link is clicked via coinhive's proof-of-work system. That means that, everyone who clicks the link (the requester, anyone in the channel, and anyone who does so from the past list) will have to perform a certain amount of hashing, directly in their browser. That way, we can keep using an embedded IRC client (though Kiwi seems to be broken atm) without having to run the coinhive scripts/API on the page itself, which generates adblock/security software messages because so many sites are abusing the miner.

It also further simplifies the process: there is no requirement to identify by irc name who is mining what or what their balance is, and gives extra value to the array by requiring all downloads to provide POW, rather than just the requester. Hashes required have been adjusted to compensate, but I want to hear from the testers if it feels "fair".

Why coinhive again? Well, we actually made about $30 the last time we tried. Not enough to withdraw, but I feel this implementation may actually get us to the minimum required balance for payout.

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