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/bbwpol/ - Fat Chicks and Politricks Anonymous 04/08/2018 (Sun) 15:00:44 No. 3806
Let's start a nice comfy containment thread, shall we? If you feel the urge to derail an active content thread with discussion of politics, take a deep breath, step away from the keyboard for a minute and post it here instead.

>why are so many fat girls obnoxious SJW dangerhairs?

>is saying "obesity is unhealthy" really a civil rights violation like racism or homophobia?
>will there be a national shortage of thicc Latinas if Trump builds the wall?
>if the fascists win, will they throw all the BBWs into weight loss camps because "muh degeneracy"?
>if the communists win, will there be no more BBWs because we're all starving in a mass famine?

Discuss! Here, and not there!
>>3806
Ok here's the plan

> Conquest an island

> made it feeder utopia
> Different towns for mutual gainers, FA/BBW, FFA/BHM, etc
> Ban any form of degenerate SJW or other bullshit.

Then we talk politics.
Well if you want me to seriously answer this, I'd say most BBWs are SJWs and get offended at "obesity is unhealthy" because they would be more prone to criticism and view it as personal attacks when you insult their lifestyle. SJWs frown upon this, so it's only natural they join that clique.

Also, the wall won't make a difference because planes exist.
>why are so many fat girls obnoxious SJW dangerhairs?
Because no other group has an ideological opposition to the idea of making fun of them/lecturing them/nit dating them because they're fat. When you've grown up all your life being ridiculed because of your size and pressured to lose weight, a space where people are liable to be chewed up for commenting negatively about your body would naturally seem very welcoming. Not sure what's so puzzling about this. Pretty much all organized efforts towards size-acceptance and body positivity emerge from SJW spaces, so any fat girl who's interested in feeling good about herself for once in her life will easily adopt the views and norms of the rest of the community to keep receiving that validation. It's really obvious when you think about it.
>>3814

>Also, the wall won't make a difference because planes exist.


tfw allied nations airlift in an emergency supply of thicc Latinas, like West Berlin during the Cold War
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>>3830

They can't even agree on what degeneracy is. By their definition, degeneracy is anything which is "disruptive to society, its customs, and its values." This is already a nebulous term. /tv/ posted a pic of Scarlett Johansson's perfect ass, but all anyone could see was her ankle tat. "muh degeneracy."

The modern right is a product of thread culture, which explains a lot of this. There is a sizable number of FAs, but they still fall into the incel trap of singling out women as roasties or sluts; either way, women are generally unwelcome. (Soy is another one which gets blunted from overuse. You can be /ourguy/ today and a soy tomorrow.)
Full disclosure, I am a leftists and often am mocked by these answers, but I still want to answer them

>why are so many fat girls obnoxious SJW dangerhairs?


If you are young (20-30 yr) in America, your recent political history involves Bill Clinton pivoting the Democrats heavily to the right and enacting policy of the then republicans and republicans moving to the right, the conservative GWB beating Al Gore in a very debatable and some have argued illegal way, the Iraq war, the financial crash due to deregulation, the failure of market based healthcare and Trump. If you are from the UK, you saw many of the same issues, switch in Tony Blair’s new labour enacting conservative policies, liberals working with the conservatives and attacks to the NHS. Of course the younger generation are going to skew left, and the ‘SJW’ buzzword mostly comes from any group reacting to the new technology era.

>is saying "obesity is unhealthy" really a civil rights violation like racism or homophobia?


No, but it is kinda a dickish thing to go up to someone’s face who is happy with their weight and yell at them. With 1/3 of the US obese, just yelling at them won’t change anything, I think that enchoroging people to be happy with their size and suggest healthy eating and exercise as an option but not a requirement is the best way to solve this.

>will there be a national shortage of thicc Latinas if Trump builds the wall?


Yes, and Trump should be ashamed. In all seriousness, it won’t make much of a difference since most images will be distributed online and meeting in person is much less of a problem

>if the fascists win, will they throw all the BBWs into weight loss camps because "muh degeneracy"?


Yes, Nazi Germany had a policy of arresting people who they considered to be mentally deranged, and if Richard Spencer got his third Reich, then that would be one of his first policies

>if the communists win, will there be no more BBWs because we're all starving in a mass famine?


If the top 1% has 99% percent of the food, we need to redistribute the sweets among the masses. To each according to their hunger, for each according to their desire.
>>3806
I'll bite.
>why are so many fat girls obnoxious SJW dangerhairs?
Because anti-SJWs generally frown down upon obesity. SJWs will dehumanize anyone who disagrees with them. So fat girls are basically stuck between following SJWism or being treated like shit by both sides. Also a part of why a good number of male FAs who are open about their politics lean SJW.
>is saying "obesity is unhealthy" really a civil rights violation like racism or homophobia?
By itself, no. Obesity can be changed. Sexual orientation and race cannot. I'd go as far as to say it's an uncomfortable truth that people have to live with. "Healthy at any size" is a dangerous philosophy to follow, doubly-so in a country with nationalized healthcare.
>will there be a national shortage of thicc Latinas if Trump builds the wall?
There will likely be less. His rhetoric generally points towards merit-based immigration, which makes things difficult for those with no skillset. Whether it will be enough where they'll be in high demand would have to be seen.
>if the fascists win, will they throw all the BBWs into weight loss camps because "muh degeneracy"?
Not as much "muh degeneracy" as "for the (perceived) betterment of society". See also, my point about obsesity = unhealthy earlier.
>if the communists win, will there be no more BBWs because we're all starving in a mass famine?
Given the practical application of communism insofar, there will almost certainly be many fewer for that reason.
>>3851

I'll chip in here and add that the alt-right favors single payer healthcare, free education, guaranteed income, senior entitlements, affordable housing, more state control over industries, and redistribution of wealth (and also a race war, but…) That is why it's so easy for people to vote white nationalist even if they don't hold racist beliefs.

After all, how many people who are against universal health care, for example, are really just against wasting their tax dollars on helping certain groups they think are prone to violence and unhealthy lifestyles?
>3806
>/bbwpol/
This is my new favorite thread. It is blyatiful.

>why are so many fat girls obnoxious SJW dangerhairs?

Severe forms retardation in "fighting" what they see on billboards. A sad portion of them actually try do be as ugly and unattractive as possible.

>is saying "obesity is unhealthy" really a civil rights violation like racism or homophobia?

No it's common sense.

>will there be a national shortage of thicc Latinas if Trump builds the wall?

>latinas
Thicc vanilla >>>>>>>>> non-vanilla

>if the fascists win, will they throw all the BBWs into weight loss camps because "muh degeneracy"?

Hardly. With automation creeping closer and closer and personalized medicine becoming a thing in the future it is far more likely to for people to choose the easy way out, in addition to going on urban safaris in the outer walls of the cities.

>if the communists win, will there be no more BBWs because we're all starving in a mass famine?

Yes. Only Slavs will survive. And they will be obese as ever as a mark of wealth and affluence


I have a dream, I have a dream that one day there will be a Corporate dystopia where whites are 1st class citizens and we just exploit the rest of the world. SJWs get to live with the noble savages they so love. A new form of white supremacy should emerge, one steeped in greasy fast food, advance medicine and obscene fucking technological progress. Like a 500lbs female mech pilot removing darkies from their land to get the oil under it. A ludicrously decadent society dedicated to technological and scientific advancement………to further their decadent hedonism.
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>>3842
>/tv/ posted a pic of Scarlett Johansson's perfect ass, but all anyone could see was her ankle tat. "muh degeneracy."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Was that from the time where the shut down /pol/ and the madmen just raided all the boards until they brought /pol/ back?

>By their definition, degeneracy is anything which is "disruptive to society, its customs, and its values.

Spot on. And if obesity no longer had negative connotaion to ones health or society it would be patriotic. Over 18 they can do pretty much whatever they want. Under that age though, send the fatass to fat camp and don't let them eat junk food. This isn't fascist it's called parenting.

>There is a sizable number of FAs, but they still fall into the incel trap of singling out women as roasties or sluts;

Never go for a roastie or a slut. I'll give an example, Jae and JJ would terrible wives, Foxy, Becca and BoBarry would make excellent wives, even if the last one has to be catapulted over the great WALL!

>either way, women are generally unwelcome

Remember Atheism+. THOTs are for the most part pretty to look at and listen to as white noise. They convictions and opinions are a fickle thing.

>Soy is another one which gets blunted from overuse. You can be /ourguy/ today and a soy tomorrow.

You know as well as I do that internet loyalty is a very fluid thing.
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Why are germanic values worth emulating anyways? It's honestly some small town cultural shit that need to be reevaluated in the light of the 21st century

Any anon's true loyalty is to science and ecology
Oh lord I've been arguing about religions and politics on the internet since I was 7
>>3864

They're not Nazis. They'r ethno-nationalists. You may think, 'what's the difference', but they're not interested in recreating the Third Reich. That's the trap journalists fall into, and it's the reason, frankly, their numbers continue to swell.
>>3867
>wanting to create a single-race society
>not Nazis

Are you retarded?
>>3842
>>3847
You two, in particular, make some amount of sense.
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>>3868

Being economically left and socially right does not a Nazi make. To put it in another context, socialist policies are not liberal policies.

This is where sizable amount of the "horseshoe theory thing comes from.
Both ends recognize the failure of the center-left/center-right liberal consensus.

A milder version of this horseshoe, probably held by a majority or plurality of the public, is anti immigration (especially H1B immigration). Both are 'nativist' positions, but Bannon an co. are not really progressive socially but social democratic economically.

That's why it's important for a working-class left to appear, imo, so they don't get scooped by the kekistanis.
>>3867
I agree I don't think they're nazis, or at least nobody but the fringe are nazis

what I'm against is ethno-nationalism
We're still just discovering the genome and a lot of biology, and surely race and nationality are all important things

but race and nationality are 19th century ideas, the nature of humanity is still yet to be known the genome has to be plumbed or whatever, why pick up the tools of people that knew even less than we do now?
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>>3872
>what I'm against is ethno-nationalism
Why are you against Safety, Order and Galactic Colonization, friend? Don't you want to see thicc spacechicks in tight uniforms or skin tight labcoats? We can't have space stations if we have to pay inbreds thousands of euros a month so they can fuck their sisters and shit out inbred debilitated children. Think of the science Anon.
>>3847
>Dicky Spencer and his Third Reich
>>3874
It honestly surprises me how often I see this train of thought with lefties/plebbitors/sjws. Spence openly supports homos and their deviancy, claiming it's part of European culture. The man is a white nationalist, hardly a nazi. The man doesn't even have a plan on how to kill puppies with rabbies that carry the zombie virus.
>>3873

>wants galactic colonization

>is an ethnonationalist rather than a pan-racial IQ supremacist neoreactionary
>will never have a zero-g four-way orgy with Anneke the Swedish geoengineer, Mei-Ling the Chinese dropship pilot and Sumitra the Indian Brahmin xenobiologist, who have all gained 600 lbs. to prepare their bodies for potential caloric deficits during cryosleep

your loss famalam
>>3857
Depends on whether or not you use "alt-right" and "basically national socialist" interchangeably, which ultimately depends on who you ask.

>After all, how many people who are against universal health care, for example, are really just against wasting their tax dollars on helping certain groups they think are prone to violence and unhealthy lifestyles?


This is why I content that UHC and body positivity basically work against each other. IMO, it works best in a right-libertarian society, where people are allowed to do with their bodies as they wish, but must accept the consequences of those actions, whether those consequences be social or physical.
>>3877
>Mei-Ling the Chinese dropship pilot and Sumitra the Indian Brahmin xenobiologist
>not the Aiko Japanese mechanic who's on the right side of 550 lbs
>trusting a frail fat chink to fly a ship and not Olga the behemoth who can double as heavy trooper
>implying chinks and curries are inbred
>implying they won't have their own ethnostates
>implying the curry will be a xenobiologist and not a mycologist
>implying there wont be a joint space station to test the cooperativity of the different races when there isn't an ever growing population of poorly educated and extreme fast breeding parasites
Why dost thou have such a limited mind's eye? Thou should put more points int insight.
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>>3806
>why are so many fat girls obnoxious SJW dangerhairs?
Because the left preaches a "everyone is valid" mindset while the right would despise them for not pursuing self improvement
>is saying "obesity is unhealthy" really a civil rights violation like racism or homophobia?
"unhealthy" means "invalid", see above
>will there be a national shortage of thicc Latinas if Trump builds the wall?
If they get fat in the united states, we should be grateful they can't climb the wall to leave
>if the fascists win, will they throw all the BBWs into weight loss camps because "muh degeneracy"?
people with genes favorable to obesity will be crowned as the superior race and will get all the food, to be superfat. people will inferior genes won't have access to fast food, they will be forced to eat healthy so they can work in the mines.
>if the communists win, will there be no more BBWs because we're all starving in a mass famine?
Every woman will be forced to have an equally huge amount of food, all girls will be fat but nobody will be superfat. Some women will naturally be fatter, but will be kidnapped and sent to the feedee gulag
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>>3882
>the right would despise them for not pursuing self improvement

The right subsidize corn farmers and stonewall attempts to encourage healthier eating.

I don't think it's a right wing opinion so much as it is a reactionary one. It seems like every month, Channel 4 or 5 air a new Saints and Scroungers or Nightmare Neighbors. Tories did the same thing in the 80's: They used the press to make everyone believe that benefit fraud was rife. What resulted was a rise in libertarian-right and the poor blaming the poor for their poverty.

The alt-right position on obesity has always been more philosophical than practical. We're at a time in history where a lot of Youtubers are bashing fat-acceptance because people associate it with left, which they consider a grave concern for White America. It got lumped in with their ever-mounting examples of "laziness, decadence, corruption" in society. Danger hair, Hollywood, circumcision. It's not evidence, it's ammunition.

Behind closed doors, they grudgingly tolerate people with high BMI and admit it would be a problem regardless.
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Weak liberal men invite strong fundamentalist men from third world countries to take their share of future genepool.
Hah, I expected a thread like this eventually.

Take it from someone who's been dumb enough to seek relationships on tumblr, and feabie, and FF etc:

There is no reasonable way to attain even a chubby gf who is socially right of, at best, average Democrat without going to a small village in Eastern Europe or something where she's gonna be conservative from her sheltered culture. If you can without influencing her and just finding her like that - start playing the lottery.

That's just how we Westerners have to deal with what we're dealt. For the average joe, if you don't want to fatten her up yourself, just be a man and influence her over time by taking charge and opening her up to reason and common sense instead of cult mentality. It's difficult for naturally-passive guys like me who have trouble taking a stand, but once you do it feels amazing.
It really frustrates me when people become doctrinaire and support something or oppose something because in their mind "other faction" supports/opposes it so it must be bad/good.

It concerns me when I see people whose entire political ideology is "triggering the libs"
>>3893
>It concerns me when I see people whose entire political ideology is "triggering the libs"

It concerns me when I see people who think all men are made of straw.
>>3894
look pal, I try very hard to understand other people's arguments and not be reductionist. If your arguments are more nuanced then that, then clearly I wasn't talking about you.

Anyway, since it was pretty shallow for me to complain about something that isn't actually happening here why don't I contribute my opinion instead. I'm an EMT, so I see on a daily basis just how broken the American healthcare system is. Personally I think that access to basic healthcare is a human right and should not be gated based on income, but even if you don't I can't see how anyone can think this is a good system.

I've encountered many times people who are extremely obese and not getting the healthcare they need because they can't afford it.
>>3895
Universal healthcare does not work for a population of 330+ million in the most powerful empire to ever exist in history. It is not economically feasible.

It works well for high-trust ethnic homelands like Norway where there are several million at most, where there is low bureaucracy and corruption.

If you want health care, start advocating for Calexit or something. You can move to Cali and enjoy that great experiment and the economy will still be huge there and you enjoy all the programs you want.
>>3900
>Bernie
>>3899
>Universal healthcare does not work for a population of 330+ million in the most powerful empire to ever exist in history. It is not economically feasible.
Ridiculous, the size of the country has absolutely no bearing on its capacity to pay for a social safety net. That's like saying we can't have social security because there are too many people, well guess what that means there's more people to pay for it.

But even casting that aside we already pay for everyone's healthcare, we just do it in a retarded and inefficient way. What do you think happens when someone goes to the hospital for an emergency but can't pay? It's illegal to refuse emergency care to someone who can't pay, so when hospitals bill them tens of thousands of dollars for operations which they can never hope to be able to pay, they simply don't. You can't repossess medical care, so to recover their losses the hospitals charge everyone else a little more, which means your insurance premiums go up. One way or another YOU PAY.

What did you think the bill fairy just came down and took care of it?
>>3902
>What do you think happens when someone goes to the hospital for an emergency but can't pay? It's illegal to refuse emergency care to someone who can't pay, so when hospitals bill them tens of thousands of dollars for operations which they can never hope to be able to pay, they simply don't.

This assumes this is a good thing which should happen.

If you can't afford care, a physician can't be forced to provide service. That is literally slavery forbidden by the 13th Amendment. Slavery isn't just Hollywood-style crying black man in the field, but all unpaid forced labor.

UHC is unconsitutional, anti-freedom, and fundamentally it encourages people to worship life and fear death as the worst thing that can possibly happen to you. Which is a sign of a sick culture that is foreign to many others even today.

You can't claim to be a free country and have UHC. It's a slippery slope to totalitarianism.

"Liberty or death" isn't just supposed to be a sentimental quip.
>>3903
>if you don't think that people should just be left to die when having a medical emergency then you're an authoritarian
you don't say
>>3904
It's not that hard to not be a lazy poor piece of crap…

but you're also forgetting a crucial thing: Charities! If charities were allowed to efficiently organize themselves without so much red tape we would see a lot more altruism which would help the sick more than government enforcement which taxes us all.
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>>3905
The guy you are replying probably can't separate law from moral.
If you say people can't be forced to do something they thing is good you are automatically saying people shouldn't do it.
>>3902
>Ridiculous, the size of the country has absolutely no bearing on its capacity to pay for a social safety net.
Yes it does. Especially when you have an ever growing number of illegal immigrants who get on welfare and stay on it as long as possible, not working and not paying taxes. Or did you think people on the right simply hate non-whites just because they aren't white? If Commiefornia breaks off from the Union, it will collapse under the weight of poorly educated immigrants who wha little to no skills and simply refuse to or are incapable of developing said skills.

>That's like saying we can't have social security because there are too many people, well guess what that means there's more people to pay for it.

>well guess what that means there's more people to pay for it
This is the very same reasoning that is behind the open border policy in the EU. Do you want to know how that worked out? Terribly. The politicians invited a fuckton of 3rd world immigrants for this very purpose. Except they don't work, they live off of welfare, have 10+ kids who are treated like insert unoriginal putdown heres in schools and simply given a grade to pass in most cases, these turds grow up and fight for ISIS. Your statement is completely retarded unless of course you force them into the mines to work.

>You can't repossess medical care

Yes you can. If they don't pay you pay a firm and they inflict the same injure on the person.
>>3905
>>3908

I should think that 2016 showed how few voters actually crave the "small government/let the market decide" rhetoric, including the GOP base. And least of all the alt-rigt.

Libertarians had their time in the sun, but your day is done.
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>>3903
> That is literally slavery

Not if they're paid, idiot.

>>3909

>If they don't pay you pay a firm and they inflict the same injure on the person.
I mean the issue is that our healthcare industry in the united states is BROKEN

Why is it broken? It seems pretty clearly because of some people are making massive amounts of money off of it and don't want it fixed. The Martin Shkreli's of the world

I don't care what your darn ideology is, almost anything is literally better than the broken healthcare system we have right now
The problem in this country is a white lower middle class that was accustomed to higher standards of living and a way of life that has been destroyed by globalization

Globalization also brought immigrants that often outcompete and work harder than that lower middle class. Substance abuse is a symptom and a cause. John drinks because he's bitter about a future where prospects are bleak, he then gets a DUI narrowing his job prospects even further

But the values of that white lower middle class are insular and rooted in cultural traditions of the early 20th century.
A lot of those values are also what built this country, that pioneer spirit and shit

So alright you have a lot of angered and ailing lower middle class whites stomping around. The question is how do you help them find meaning in the 21st century without falling into their herd bullshit cultural values?
Also what are we going to do when we get replaced by machines at all our jobs?
>why are so many fat girls obnoxious SJW dangerhairs?
They fall into that community because it gives them something to be angry at, an external reason for their unhappiness.
>is saying "obesity is unhealthy" really a civil rights violation like racism or homophobia?
Nope. Racism and homophobia aren't civil rights violations, either.
>will there be a national shortage of thicc Latinas if Trump builds the wall?
Nope. Now, after he builds the catapult…
>if the fascists win, will they throw all the BBWs into weight loss camps because "muh degeneracy"?
Doubt it. Most fashies I know are ex-libertarians who are reacting to all the anti-white shit and just want to ensure the existence of their race, and a future for their children.
>if the communists win, will there be no more BBWs because we're all starving in a mass famine?
Possibly, if they do some Mugabe-style land redistribution and give all the farmland and agricultural equipment to a bunch of incompetents. But that implies the commies will leave their coffeeshops and deign to step foot in a flyover state.
>They fall into that community because it gives them something to be angry at, an external reason for their unhappiness.

That sounds a lot like another group I know
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>>3918
>>3919

This is a hangover from the easy credit of the 90s, and the growing influence of finance over the economy and government, and even religion. I need hardly add that it is at the expense of the service and manufacturing economies. To borrow a quote from Zizek, we can imagine world without people more easily than we can a world without finance.

Some of you will remember Bill and Tony at twin podiums, lecturing about a "Third Way", but it wasn't different from your Keating, Schröder or Jospin who came in at the same time. They all talked the same, and they ran the show for two decades. Result?

>"Over and over we find these workers self employed in their own business, for example, as courier operators, truck drivers, handyman repairers or car cleaners; they are doing virtually the same work as before, but as sub-contracted providers for often large companies. They complain of stress, or irregular and long working hours, and of tasks that outstrip either their willingness or capacity to undertake them, or both. One has the strong sense that they feel spatially trapped, typically here in the outer western suburbs of Sydney, and shackled with housing and other costs that give an edge of desperation to their efforts to hang on and scratch for the work they can find and hold…Reactive, defensive, yet strong, anger is the dominant mood…" —Prof. Michael Pusey
>>3888
you mean the republicans hiring illegals to do undeclared work?
Republicans and Globalists
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>>3924
Remember when Bush and Rubio's plan for mandatory E-Verify was laughed out of the debates? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
How do you lads deal with the fact that being overweight is unhealthy and that actively promoting people to gain weight can be, specifically for those predisposed to certain health conditions, dangerous? It seems that I would be shortening the life span of someone who I love through the act of being a feeder and this just doesn't seem conducive to a long lasting and prosperous relationship.

I imagine being in a long term feedist relationship with someone that I actually love, potentially having kids, etc… Then I imagine her not being able to play with them or potentially dying at an early age leaving our children motherless in a world where it is absolutely essential to have 2 functioning parents.

Do we have any oldfags here that have experience with these types of relationships well into a persons 40s and 50s? It simply seems like this fetish is not conducive to long term happiness and having a functioning family gets exponentially more difficult the high the weight of your SO gets.
>>3929
I'm a newfag with a 65 yo mother (I'm 33). I think seniors have enough physical problems without adding immobility and heart problems to it. Also, call me a beta or whatever, but if you're with your lady for that many years, don't you have a bond which transcends the physical?

The scooter/bedridden fetish types are a loud minority, I feel. We have an understanding between us. I don't kinkshame, but to me, they're in the same league as people who find a car crash sexy.
>>3929
Usually why I only encourage feedees to gain weight. If the person isn't actively Into the kink I feel pretty disgusting tbh and will refuse to indulge in that part, even if they want to do it.
>>3929
Everybody is responsible for their own choices with regards to their weight. If I tell my wife I'd really like it if she hit 700 pounds or whatever, it's still her choice to pick up the fork. Nobody gets to 400+ without wanting to.
>>3937
However if someone does something that is antithetical to self perservation, should you not, as a loved one, step in with the intent of helping? We can objectively say that, given the current state of medicine, being overweight increases the risk of many diseases in many people and very rarely do you see an obese individual live a long life. Now, if we imagine a scenario in which you are in a long term relationship and have either attempted to have children or are, at the very least, flirting with the idea, is it not rational to put your (our) fetish aside and consider the longevity of your partner and the future of your (potential) children?

One could, I assume, respond to this by saying that every individual is the master of their own destiny and the mistakes they make are their fault. However it is obvious that we are social animals and if an individual in your community is doing something wrong, especially a potential loved one, are you not obliged to set your preferences aside for the sake of the community (in this case, family)?

Inb4 commie
Not even close. Simple proposing a question to further discussion. For some reason, discussing politicians and ethics here is cathartic
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>>3941

Smokers, drinkers, druggies, fatties, whatever.

This kind of argument is self-perpetuating. I'm 'libertarian' in the sense that I believe some people will always become food addicts, just as some people will always become drug addicts, and that is just too bad.

I agree that it's possible to stop most drug crime and addiction in the U.S. And that it make all those drugs available and sell them at cost. By that same token, if you want to reduce obesity and heart disease in the U.S., phase out corn subsidies. Without subsides, the market will dictate what food is grown. Corn syrup is in EVERYTHING and it's not even food!
So, by your respective predictions, which future is more likely for us as humanity (and why)? A future in which we are hyper decadent hedonists, a future in which it more or less stays the same, or a future in which obesity and anything other than instagram thicc is eliminated all sound possible. I would like to see some extreme, but I feel the most definite answer would the boring "neutral" one.
>>3945
>>3945
>Corn syrup is in EVERYTHING and it's not even food!
Corn subsidies are not for corn syrup, that corn goes towards livestock feed. Which ironically enough is all from Monsanto, which is GMO, which is forbidden in Europe, WHICH is being fed to EU livestock.
You just can't make this shit up.
>>3948
>pic because it refused to upload with the post for some reason.
>>3948
Yeah, I was under the impression that the reason HFCS is in everything is because of manufacturing convenience and government subsidies but I could be incorrect

With all the subversiveness in the western food industry, it's almost like were living in some bizarre weight gain story. Many people, uneducated or simply addicted to sugar, are basically being fattened up. I think, unless some drastic change is made and the sugar industry (And companies like Bayer) are deposed, obesity rates will continue to skyrocket to, at least, 50% in America. I assume western European nations will climb slowly too. People just don't realize how addictive sugar and sugar like substances are. It's one of those situations where my mind says no but my dick says yes. Its such a strange dichotomy being a /fit/izen feeder
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>>3950
>it's almost like were living in some bizarre weight gain story.
It's wonderful isn't it?

>I think, unless some drastic change is made and the sugar industry (And companies like Bayer) are deposed, obesity rates will continue to skyrocket to, at least, 50% in America. I assume western European nations will climb slowly too.

It's coming along nicely. Way I see it, if obesity rates keep going up, governments will just subsidize medical companies to find ways around it and with personalized medicine just around the corner it's gonna be a fucking shitshow for Big Pharma. Of course they are gonna have the biggest PM company around but are still gonna lose billions(that's what hurts the pharmaceutical-jew the most). And given the nature of white people(because lets face it, non-white countries will still be shit) it is far more likely to find ways around said problem than to deal with it head on by making people exercise. Look at it this way, an injection that lessens the negative effects of obesity is far more likely to be applied than to force the population to exercise and eat healthy. As such it will probably be expensive in the beginning.

Which will cause a cultural shift, making morbid obesity a sign of affluence and wealth. Which means only upwards from the middle class will be able to safely obese. And with the influx of parasites into 1st world nations(white) and the fact that said parasites are rarely educated and what is more possible, too inbred to be educated means we will have a permanent underclass of basically free labor. Which for the most part means that whites will either adapt and move on to middle management or are gonna be swept along with the filth. IMO it's par for the course, adapt or die, but this time it's with intellect and not physical prowess.

Now some of you will cry racist, and if Jess was here she'd be drinking bleach because "she can't even", but as a side note, what do you think will be the outcome of this "refugee" influx into all of the 1st world? Laws are being downright ignored, because "dey be raysis towards brownies", tensions keep rising, the left and center are retarded enough to keep making excuses for these inbreds, also the supposed opposition is up against spergs and Tricky Dicky as the leader of the AR and the ones who are a threat to their globalist world view are still hiding in the shadows.

Now this all presupposes that such a thing is possible, and it will be…..as soon as we manage to integrate whole genes into the genome without an immune response……….and integrating it in the exact spot we want. CRISPR CAS ain't all it's cracked up to be, but it is light years ahead of the old methods.

In conclusion what I'm saying is that in the end we may very well get a obese white upper class oppressing and abusing the lower classes which will almost entirely consists of non-whites and no one will care when they cry racism or oppression. They will either eat Soylent green work for corporate districts, where they are payed in credits to spend in the corporate stores or they starve to death.

A bit extreme but still withing the realm of possibility.
>>3951
Nah. Here in Scotland our damn government has imposed a lot of financial techniques to eradicate obesity. Scotland was once a contender for fattest country in the world but since then we've been hit with:
Minimum pricing on alcohol - to combat binge drinking and over consumption of cheap cider/beer
Sugar TAX on beverages - to cut comsumption by encouraging drinks companies to cut sugar/reduce unit sizes and restaurants to not even offer high sugar drinks
Age Restriction on Energy Drinks - Monster/Red Bull/ Relentless/ etc have to be over 16 for those now
Red Meat TAX - beef! Even though it's expensive for the good cuts…
By One Get One Free - this has been abolished as it encouraged over eating
Lunch Box checks in schools - to remove any unhealthy items
I'm sure there's more but this kind of shit will be coming everyones way pretty soon.
>>3956
Did it have an effect?
>>3956
Maybe independence isn't so bad for you lads after all.
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>>3951
While this scenario certainly is possible, I believe you're letting your preference for the situation cloud your judgement to an extent.

I do believe that the "solution" to what many believe is an obesity problem will most definitely be in the form of medicine or an injection rather than exercise and a healthy diet. Most fat people are adamantly averse to the matter even though they can reap some benefits from it while still staying within their preferred range. As a result, we will probably see an appetite suppressant or a more effective version of gastric bypass rather than something that lessens the effects of obesity.

However, it is significantly more likely that our present situation simply continues at its current pace. In America, the powers that be are already so well in place that it, not unlike bayer and the sugar industry, will be very difficult to depose them. Fast food, junk food, and medical/pharma industries are all leeches. Food companies and the sugar industry make billions fattening people up. Being overweight makes certain people more prone to certain issues and, here, the medical and pharmaceutical industries step in to medicate and treat. What we end up with is an obese, heavily medicated lower/middle class that is addicted to sugar and their respective medications. The upper classes are generally those who are actively lobbying to keep corn subsidies or to push preferred medications, so it would seem that they would be aware of the cycle that they are putting the majority of the populous through and would attempt to exist outside of it.

It follows that the most likely situation is an overwhelmingly overweight/obese middle and lower class and an upper class that is, to some extent, fit. We would have to take into consideration that a somewhat large percentage of the male youth must be fit for military service and the a certain percentage of people are naturally contrarians and will push for exercise and healthy diets. We'll probably see the obesity rate continue to climb until it reaches a "natural" threshold where it borders military aged males, those with physical jobs, and those who are simply into physical fitness. I would assume that the percentage would be roughly 60-40 but this is ultimately conjecture

I suppose the question remains; are you content with this outcome? Is it ok to allow the majority of the American population to be subversively influenced by lobbyists and selectively educated to make them more more to certain vices?
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>>3961
>I suppose the question remains; are you content with this outcome?
I really wouldn't mind an imperialist dictatorial society be wrought with decadence ,avarice and hedonism and at the same time be bastion of technological and medical progress. I certainly could imagine the maximum weight for the army going higher and higher as further motorization takes place. Who needs ground troops when you have SAMs and Drones you can control from the comfort of your extra wide office chair and air conditioning? As far as war is considered we haven't even touched upon biological warfare, synthetic viruses ect. But we are still gonna need people to be skinny and fit enough to do the manual jobs and I'm not really big on imported 3rd world labor.
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For some reason political discussion here (as well as introspective analysis of the fetish) is oddly cathartic
a fiery chunky Republican BBW does the body good
>>3961

Food for thought, anon. I can't really argue with any of your points.
>>3961
I would love to ask questions like this on feabie lmao

The responses you would generate would be gold
>>3970
Probably because it's easier to be open about the subject here than it is on other fat-related sites.
I wonder how far things will go. in 2016 the fattest state was west Virginia at 37%. I think they'll hit 50% by 2030. After that i usually predict that it will speed up even faster (its already pretty fast tbh). At 50% I think whats normal will be kinda distorted and it'll get much worse. For Black and Hispanic women its already pretty bad over 52% are obese for both.

not sure how to feel about it tbh.
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>>>3961
I'll answer that question, I'm not content with that outcome!

More importantly I don't think the equilibrium that's lasted since WW2 and that enabled all this stuff can hold forever.
I don't know what the outcome of the breaking of that equilibrium will be. Maybe it's as you say and there will be two heavily stratified classes of many fat peasants and a few fit nobles.

But I would rather dream of newer better possibilities, roads we can go down that are just as really if we would make them so.

A democratic society with fat Valkyrie Philosopher Queens, where nanotechnology has eliminated the problems of food and labor is one possibility among many
This thread needs more memes.
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>>3994
>Gobalism = anorexic meth head
>patriotism + capitalism = obesity and freedom.
I agree with this. Who knew Zyklon Ben was one of us?

>NAP

An ancap society of fat asses can lead to a really interesting scenarios. On a completely unrelated note this was basically the premise for the Corporate Dystopia threads on /trash/, Ancaps and white supremacists taken to the extreme.
>>3994
i'm too stupid to understand the meaning of this "meme".
>>3996
However wouldn't both paths lead to obesity? If we assume that the globalists are led by Jews and large, multinational corporations then it follows logically that that path would be one of obesity as well. Consider that it would be more advantageous for businesses to have their consumer base hooked on sugar laden products in order for them to make more money and have a cemented consumer base. An anorexic worker who makes no money cannot repeatedly buy a super mega family sized twix bar.

I got b8ed
>>4002
true, though an ancap society would allow said company to BS with lies like "Fat-Free Twix" or ironically make lies to say their food is "healthy" (like Jamba Juice or Chipotle). Basically lie in order to push goods.

Though the Far-Right White Nationalists seem to want to end anything that "glorifies degeneracy" that includes BBWs (as they get so butt-triggered over them as they view them as, to put one said, "feminist moo-cows")
I'm 90% lib but for some reason super-fat female tea party/trump supporters/etc really turn me on.
>>4000
Yet I guarantee not as stupid as the meme itself.
>>3950
Yup. I (try to) eat healthy, despise big ag*, and I'm fairly active. I'm old enough to have watched sugar become the national drug, portion sizes increase to ludicrousness, and a general shifting of the culture into absurd decadence and sloth. As a life-long FA with feeder tendencies, indeed America 2018 is my teenage dream become reality. As a moral human being who for some reason cares about the future of humanity and the planet, this is a straight-up nightmare.

I've been accused by more than one serious GF of "compartmentalizing." Yet how can I avoid it? Either I go with my nature and I'm a horrible person (i.e., manipulative feeder) or I deny my nature and be a nice guy, yet miserable inside (which eventually will make me a rotten person anyway).

(* Yes, I get big ag innovations like GMOs and such have saved gazillions of people from famine - but if I personally have the choice of eating real food, I'll take it.)
>>4016
You're "compartmentalizing" just by being into big women, tbh. I've seen enough newfags online who felt comfortable talking about it, then receive the lighting post reply: "says the thin boy".

It's a gotcha argument, sure, but what can he say/do?
>>4016
I hate the duality. I've had my friends call me manipulative and shame me for just telling a girlfriend about my weight gain fetish when she pressed me on suspicions. She "surprised" me by gaining ~50 pounds over a few months, and I loved it, but I got a huge backlash from my wary friends, especially the girls.

I didn't feel like I was manipulative at all but I don' want to bottle in what I desire deep down. It's hardwired.

Anyways on /bbwpol/ topic I think illegal immigrants should be the least of anyone's worries, and most people concerned with them are a little racist deep down. It's logical if you spend all your time on online forums to believe the twisted depictions of certain peoples that get thrown around.
They dont sound like your friends. They should accept you for who you are. We supposed to be progressive liberal, inclusive and diverse. But there they go being trump supporting planet destroying whale killing bigots. We were supposed to vote in Hilary, now look at what you lot have done. Do what trump does, never admit wrong and double down. Come out and be proud you like em Yuuuuge! Lol and YOLO!
>>4037
If Californias current attempts at banning religious items succeeds, the Mexicans and Muslims are gonna become pro Trump overnight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLtRDoerVUw&feature=youtu.be
>>4036
>I think illegal immigrants should be the least of anyone's worries

While I understand the the majority of the populous who believes illegal immigration is a notable issue is, ultimately, racist to some degree, one cannot say that it is a trivial topic because of this reason.

Illegal immigration and unfettered immigration to countries that have reached a certain threshold only serve to drive down the cost of labor and dilute the market. Population grows exponentially in most "immigrant" groups and the market cannot produce enough jobs to effectively employ both the naturalized citizens and the rcent (or illigeal) immigrants. Oftentimes, immigrants (illegal or otherwise) are willing to do things that citizens aren't in order to establish themselves. This can lead to corporations and businesses alike choosing illegal labor or immigrant labor over naturalized labor. Over time, these business come to almost exclusively employ illegal or immigrant labor (think fruit harvesting in cali or florida). Not only is every job in which an illegal is employed a job in which a citizen isn't, but it just so happens that, in many cases, immigrants send the money they make back to their home country. This means that the money they're getting paid doesn't even circulate in our domestic economy.

Also, when it comes to educated immigrants, one must consider brain drain. As the educated citizens immigrate to a country in which they perceive they will get more money, their home country loses educated citizens. Therefore, they lose the capacity to improve (to some extent) which also hurts their economic and innovate capacity and guts their workplace of skilled, specialized laborers (doctors, engineers, etc..)
>>4036
>I think illegal immigrants should be the least of anyone's worries, most people concerned with them are a little racist deep down.
>racist
>why do we even need borders?
>diversity is our strength
>mudslimes will bring cultural enrichment
But of course it is! So is putting them in prison when they commit a crime. It's great for the companies, they can pay them half minimum wage under the table and work them for good 14-16 hour shifts. Same shit with higher paying jobs, hire a bunch of chinks and poos that will work a good 16 hour day and pay them less than what you would a citizen or a European migrant of the same if not even higher qualification. And here's the thing, poos and chinks are excellent for doing drone like labor, tell them to innovate or think critically and you're screwed. The more "diversity is our strength" is peddled and forced down everyone's throats the more resentment and hatred this will breed. The more illegal immigrants and "refugees" are allowed to just waltz into a white country the worse this will become. They will not integrate, they cannot be integrated and they do not want to be integrated. They will just form up a permanent underclass and absolutely no one will pay them any mind when they scream oppression. The moment diversity quotas are removed all hell will break loose. And those currently preaching it will shut their mouths and get on with the new program.

And they will just keep growing in number, undocumented. Making them expandable and easily replaceable. Whites will continue to dwindle in number but remain in power. Which does wonders for my dick, but it's not exactly a just and equal country.


>It's logical if you spend all your time on online forums to believe the twisted depictions of certain peoples that get thrown around

I'm guessing Rotherham was just a psyop by /pol/. Are crimes commited by illegal migrants and "refugees" also a twisted depiction?
>>4040
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billCompareClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB2943

>0 results for "Bible"

>0 results for "Religion"
>0 results for "Christ"
Meanwhile, your video is the only source citing these claims. Sounds like #FakeNews made by bible thumpers upset about conversion therapy being banned.

…although conversion therapy is handy to the alt-right, in which if you can hack your brain to deprogram awful fetishes, being a degenerate would be a choice. If only there were positive studies that aren't Reimer-tier brainwashing.
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>>4049
>(r) California has a compelling interest in protecting consumers from false and deceptive practices that claim to change sexual orientation and in protecting consumers against exposure to serious harm caused by sexual orientation change efforts.
You're saying California wouldn't abuse this law to try and push down the sales of one of the most used items in conversion therapy?
>>4052
>Joel B. Pollack
>Editor at large for Breitbart
>Breitbart

Completely off-topic, but I'm curious if kids are allowed to use the National Enquirer as a citation in school papers nowadays. I mean, it does meet the "no-internet" rule that I had to put up with.
>>4053
>I mean, it does meet the "no-internet" rule that I had to put up with
You get your news from the newspaper and broadcasters?

Here's something that's a little more left leaning if you don't care for right rags and prefer a left instead.
http://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/sep/26/claims-mislead-about-california-bill-forcing-jail-/
>But we also found an element of truth: Violations of the bill could, under limited circumstances, be treated as a misdemeanor with punishment of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine.
Yes they say people won't be jailed unless they're pushing it towards breaking a person into suicide but they never say anything about needing any proof and with the kind of people in control of California, they'll just take their word for it so if a transperson just doesn't like you they could just lie about it and it's still possible to end up in jail for a year instead of just getting fired or moved to a route with no transpeople or instead allowing the transperson to request and get a different caretaker whereas deliberately infecting people with a life changing disease that can kill you gets a slap on the wrist with at most six months in prison.
>>4056
>You get your news from the newspaper and broadcasters?
It was a joke about reliable sources, combined with school work.
You didn't get good grades in reading comprehension, did you?
>>4058
I just need to stop multitasking and focus on one thing at a time.
>>4052
>republican read breibart
>democrats read micdotcom
>both read circlejerk clicbait and mock the other
are all americans that stupid or is it just the whole news network who pandering to stupidity?
>>4062
People are prone to getting their information from sites that agree with them, regardless of political affiliation. And thanks to the Internet, pretty much every possible viewpoint is catered to by someone.
>pandering to stupidity

It seems to be the purpose of liberal media to bring conservatism back to life after every suicide it makes.

Even this Mueller stuff is a mostly a distraction from the fact that Democrat refuse to fight Trump legislatively, ie. they aren't even playing the token role of opposition. The breakdown of the post-FDR consensus is something both parties agree on. So instead we get "Drumph" and imaginary piss tapes.
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Divide and Conquer. This identity politics is what is all about. I think with what A. Jones got up to in raising awareness of bohemian grove and the NWO, and after the banking crisis of 2008, populism got a little too close to the powers that be. Don't be used by the mass media who are trying to whip this up by setting the Left against the Right and the Right against the Left. Since Trump got in, a lot of the Alex Jones sided lot feel they have someone who is on their side. A loose cannon Trump maybe, but no doubt he has his orders.

So does it matter that you don't have an identity? That you don't belong to some classified group? No! Sail your own ship. Make your own path. Don't be a sheep. Be a leader not a follower.
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It's really hard to convey to people under 30 just how absurd the media is. If you really really look for it you can find experts with actual dissenting opinions, but anything remotely mainstream was fully for globalism (making the world safe for modems and cheeseburgers), at least until recently, and the only times those experts are brought on air is to make fun of them for being too soft. If you wanted a platform you'd need to go crawl on your hands and knees to RT.

Did you know the IMF did a study into these policy prescriptions and found they were entirely without merit? They have a lot of data people over there who are actually doing some decent work, pointing out the obvious. They're being ignored of course.
Well I am glad I am on the otherside of 30. I feel for those millenials and younger, that have dead end jobs, have jobs being automated by apps, who can't afford to buy a house and feel under pressure to have everthing, good looks, having money, and being uber popular in social media. I don't know where this will end up, but hopefully we'll end up with hippy love and flower flower power like in the 1960s.
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>>4068
The Mueller stuff appears to be a cynical ploy to drive up fundraising, and MAYBE squeeze something incriminating out of the investigation. Like how Ken Starr rung the Whitewater story out like a towel over a bathtub.
>>4072
I'm on the other side of 30 from you, and I can't really say I've felt pressured in the ways you've described. Granted, I've more or less cut myself off from greater society, which, in this case, has been highly beneficial to me.
>>4068
The Dems were mildly socdem in the 30s and won 5 straight elections, but only because they were fighting the USSR, and they to show the world that their methods work.

Since then, liberals have been content to play controlled opposition worldwide, only winning office (GE or downballot) when the conservative implode from scandal. They clearly ran of ideas back in the nineties, and their success was of its time: Clinton won the election because Perot split the vote, and he was up against an incumbent who broke his pledge to not raise taxes. Then Clinton coasted on an economic boom. Without it, he would probably have been convicted and impeached. They lost the White House as soon as left, and then lost all 3 branches of government to the least popular candidate in modern times.
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>>4048
>(You can be racist without resorting to slurs, let's keep the bigotry to a low roar, please.)
GO FUCK YOURSELF! I know a honeypot when I see one.

>speaking the truth is racist goy

>Indians and chinese are our greatest allies
>diversity is our strength
>Europe needs cultural enrichment
>you can't say anything bad about the refugees g-g-goy
>w-w-w-what if they call this chan r-r-r-racist?
>o-o-o-our donations are gonna drop if that happens
>they'll go from 0 to 0
>suicidecontemplation.cardiography
Is Scruffy the new Jess? I humbly request this thread's name be changed to /bbw-reddit/. Oy! Barclay, if you ever wonder why this chan is bleeding money it's for shit like this. Jess kept banning the anons who donated and soon the stopped posting altogether. And don't think you can donate 2 months in a row and make the rest of us think that anons gave this reddit extension money. I did not break a single fucking rule(I just read them). Permaban me if you want, when mods ignore the rules and ban because of their feefees this place is prime sjw tier, and no amount of 40k posting will convince anyone otherwise.

What was I actually banned for? Poos? Chinks? Or for not sucking circumcised jihad dick?
And who did it? Was it Scruffy? Is he a chink or a pajit?

WHY IS KIP PRETENDING TO BE A WOMAN?
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>>4135
Whew lad, calm it down. First off, I don't wonder why the chan is bleeding money… it's quite clear only accepting cryptocurrency has doomed my tenure as admin, and I'm fine with that. Second, I don't know why the poster you linked was banned. I'm almost certain it was scruffy but to be perfectly honest I don't care enough to check. Third, the 40k posting is just me accepting there is nothing I can do to make everyone happy and support the chan, so I am just doing what I want and having fun until I eventually let it go. I suggest you do the same. Don't take some rando putting another rando in timeout so seriously. It's so easy to get around a ban it's basically just a public warning, not much else.

edit for the mod who did the ban: after looking at the post in question, was the language over the top? Yes, probably intentionally so in the spirit of a /gen/ containment thread. If you saw "poos and chinks" on a content board, yeah sure ban/delete whatever. But doing it here, in a /gen/ thread, where the subtitle says "talk about whatever you like"… well. I don't understand it, the user didn't understand it… something went awry here. The racism/abuse rule was removed specifically because actively suppressing it causes reactions like the one you see above and below this post. I know my methods aren't traditional, but you have to try to adhere to them until I hand off the site, at which point the new admin can do whatever they wish with the rules.
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>>4137
But… but what about the porn, Lt. Barclay? Think of all the porn!
>>4135
boring ass Whitebread WASP motherfucker teutonic barbarian sauerkraut eating son of a bitch whose great grandparents should never have left Bavaria or whatever germanic duchy they crawled out of
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This is why I don't frequent imageboards much these days. I can tolerate hearing "good goy" every 8.2 seconds, but when they start negging you to get a reaction, the thread is dead for all intents and purposes.
>>4143
Honestly, it's a small price to pay to not have to deal with the draconian regulation that a lot of pro-fat forums have.
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>>4144
Oh, for sure. This place is more chill than the others, but I still deplore those tactics.

Their logic is circular and they think that by badgering out the more level-headed people, they will keep it free of censorship.
>>4146
The thing I've noticed is that they don't want even the level-headed people around. They want their own echo chamber safe space, just like the SJWs and the like that they despise so much.
>>4143
I haven't been on an imageboard besides this one since Trump announced his campaign, I believe.

Not because of any political reasons, but some sort of random anxiety or some other paroxysm that messed up my mind and snowballed into some irrational…I don't even know what's wrong with me.
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Look I hate Donald Trump as much as the next person. He is a class one baffoon. But some of the stuff happening in schools is just just bonkers. A kid gets sent home for searching Donald Trump on the school computer. Kids should have the freedom to learn and make up their own minds, not forced to accept the narrative. Schools should promote free thinking, that is real progressiveness. https://mobile.twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/989889083022422016
>>4173
near completely fabricated in case it wasn't obvious
>>4173
>Paul Joseph Watson
if you start believing everything those people posts, you will totally believe the country is a marxist dystopian nightmare
Find a better news source
>>4243
Hahahaha that’s exactly what it is. These guys imagine the world to be a certain way, and then live tormented by their own pretend world haha
>>4247

Eh, it's a proven strategy. I once had someone tell me George W. was socialist.

For one thing, you avoid admitting that the fundamentals of your party are flawed. For another, it keeps people confused. Imagine thinking Bush is communist, how will you react to Bernie's (very mild if "unconsitutional") socdem reforms?
>>4247
Huh, wouldn't expect this to come up on bbw-chan of all places.
Something I find kinda interesting is that this isn't necessarily stuck to the left or the right, both seem to have this. The right has the, "everything I don't like is Communism" with the amount of actual Communists being small and the left has, "everything I don't like is Fascism" with the amount of actual Fascists being small. Depending on where you're sitting you're either going to find one or the other.
Gets kinda tiring TBH.
>>4252
Right. As we said ealier in the thread, the deploables have legit grievances which the Maddows of the world are paid to bury.
>>4243
>you will totally believe the country is a marxist dystopian nightmare

well, all your ancestors would probably believe the same thing
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>>4247
>These guys imagine the world to be a certain way, and then live tormented by their own pretend world haha

Sounds like modern feminism in practice, honestly. Heck, pretty much applies to any and all ideologues in general, with every one having their own flavor of bogeyman. Admittedly, I'm guilty of it myself, to an extent.
>>4252
>>4263

This right here. The problem isn't one or the other political ideology, it's that both sides have their own extremist echo chambers that tend to set the tone for debate. This has always been true to some extent (I'm Gen X and can remember the anti-Clinton conspiracy theories from the 90s), but IMO social media "filter bubbles" have made it a lot worse.

On topic, I'm a moderate Democrat (pro labor and social safety net but skeptical of extreme identity politics), and it does rustle my jimmies that just because I'm not ashamed to be seen in public with a fat girl, people assume they know what my opinions are on social justice buzzword issues.
>>4300
>IMO social media "filter bubbles" have made it a lot worse.

This is exactly my theory. Echochambers have effectively allowed people to radicalize whatever ideology they hold, whether those echochambers are enforced via banning dissent or simply shaming it to the point where doing so becomes taboo. So what you're ultimately left with is people who believe that anyone that holds any disagreements with them is "the enemy". This seems more common in Millenials or younger, at least from my own observation.

>and it does rustle my jimmies that just because I'm not ashamed to be seen in public with a fat girl, people assume they know what my opinions are on social justice buzzword issues.


Admittedly, I'm somewhat guilty of this
>Go hang out with a skinny guy, his fat GF, and another guy
>Only talked to the GF a bit, never contacted either of the other guys
>Conversation takes a turn into European tourism
>bf effectively implies that as things are going now, European countries will lose their identity within our lifetimes

Granted, the GF has never really shown signs of being SJW-tier, but it's still mildly surprising that she didn't have any opinion on the subject.
rightwing FAs make no sense. they're constantly giving these weird, contrived prescriptions for why left-wingers think what they think that all boils down to them "just being lazy" (ex: this thread) or crying about how the insert unoriginal putdown heres are taking their hard-earned tax money to not starve before going back to fantasizing about a world where every other person just sits around and eats all day. their sexual ideology is at disparate ends with their political ideology and i think it gets to them. hence all the desperate /pol/-posting in here
>>4302

>takes the one loony /pol/yp in this thread as representative

>"rightwing FAs make no sense"

You're arguing with a strawman of your own invention, fam. Do you really believe that "being sexually attracted to fat women" must necessarily determine what someone thinks about the capital gains tax, or about disparate impact jurisprudence, or about DACA repeal, or about xhe/xher/xhem pronouns?
>>4303
>"It's not that hard to not be a lazy poor piece of crap…" (ie have healthcare)
>"how many people who are against universal health care, for example, are really just against wasting their tax dollars on helping certain groups (black people) they (i) think are prone to violence and unhealthy lifestyles?"

tell me about strawmen again. i formulated my post purely based on what i've read in this thread alone
>>4303

constantly pushing for tax hikes at every opportunity would literally cause our political elite to collapse. they know it, and it's why they hate bernie so much.

all he'd have to do is remove the payroll tax cap & throw in a robin hood tax on cap gains and you'd fix social security for a generation.

not saying it's guaranteed bernie would do this, but he's the only person currently with a national platform & power who ostensibly would.
>>4300
>I'm Gen X and can remember the anti-Clinton conspiracy theories from the 90s

President whom is buddies with multiple sex criminals (along with shady-ass John Podesta), has a history of bad business deals, the whole quid-pro-quo sinecure for sex thing that liberals spun as "consenting sex between adults", stands accused of multiples rapes, and is proven to have cheated on his wife a ton…
Even so, the attacks on Clinton were so low and cheap that everybody forgot to think critically. (Sort of like the attacks on Bush.) Remember, the '93 budget repealed the "trickle down" tax cuts for the wealthy under Reagan. IIRC it passed without a single Republican vote, and it was actually in opposition to the GOP's proposals to cut taxes to "return the surplus to the people."
The increase in taxes on the wealthy saw a dramatic rise in funding for Republican candidates in the 1994 mid-term election. This is how Rush Limbaugh infected US politics by the way: he was a failed sportscaster who finally found his niche, thanks to the Mellon-Schaifes.
New Year's bump

>what will the effect of the government shutdown and withdrawal from Syria be on our nation's strategic BBW reserves?
>>3824

This early post solved the issue. The GOP and 4chan crowd not on /trash/ fucking hates fat chicks. Why else do you think fatties would go left when they are more accepted there as a group? Plus the left is bigger on pushing things like weight discrimination and the body acceptance movement. The right only accepts a fat woman if it's a corn-fed midwest ma or grandma with kids. Fat women are in no short supply in the US so they'll go to the group that will accept them.
>>6288
Both sides of the aisle are not friendly to fat chicks. Many women in their 20s/30s right now lean left because that is where the 3rd wave feminist movement largely resides. I can assure you that political leanings have nothing to do with the acceptance of fat chicks. I personally know two wonderful fat chicks who lean far right, and the average person doesn't really give a shit.
>>6237
>withdrawal from Syria
Less money spent fighting for oil and Israel and more money spent on our own citizens.
>government shutdown
Government workers might slim down a little but once it's over they're gonna shoot back up if not becoming fatter.
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>tfw I will never have a "heavily armed" (in both the firepower and the elbow dimple senses) nationalist MILF tradwife
>>6311
Until a few years ago the right was way more fat-friendly than the left. The left used to be obsessed with the "obesity epidemic". The people I knew when I was younger who bashed fat girls were/are all very liberal now.
>>6328
I agree with you, my post was more directed about the current climate. I too when I was younger and in Highschool remember the fat bashing came from people who were openly liberal. I think it might be why if you lean right now, it's harder to find a woman with generally your same outlook on life since fat women have been pushed out of the right.

I'm curious though, any idea why this happened?
>>6329
Not the guy you're quoting but I'd say it's mostly about the lefts rebelling against society schtick. Part of that involves rebelling against the "patriarchal beauty standards of women." The end result is the whole all bodies are good bodies and all bodies are beautiful mantra. So you know, more equality BS.

The old Conservative mentality is that your health is your responsibility and your money not the state's. The state isn't supposed to tell you how to live your life, that's your business. They still are that way but when its contrasted with the whole "end fatphobia and size discrimination" types they look meek in comparison.
>>6330
> They still are that way but when its contrasted with the whole "end fatphobia and size discrimination" types they look meek in comparison.
What bothers me about this new mentality is that it goes against human psychology. To a degree everyone is a little bit phobic to everything because it's a survivalist instinct, a reproductive instinct, or a genetic one as we're naturally attracted to people with similar genetics. Just because someone is slightly phobic about something doesn't mean they hate someone, it's a system that our brains developed over centuries to keep us alive. Our brains did not evolve to understand the world, it evolved to keep us alive and reproducing.
>>6331
Argument from nature, anon. Not everything revolves around natural selection. If we openly embraced the mentality you describe, we would basically smash the cornerstone of civilization.
>>6331
>What bothers me about this new mentality is that it goes against human psychology.
I would say absolute equity goes against a fundamental of human nature, hierarchy. Even if we were to have everyone raised from an equal income position in society in the same environment you would still get hierarchy because people are fundamentally different.

You will always get some people with different personality traits and physical appearance and from these variations hierarchies will form. Talk about issues such as thin privilege and fat discrimination are often about rejecting society's hierarchical nature in favour of equity, which is doomed to fail.

Unfortunately, it looks like they will have to learn the hard way.
>>6337
This guy Petersons.
>>6329 In the US where I'm from, it's because the entire political spectrum re-aligned itself along pro-Trump/anti-Trump lines. Trump used to run beauty pageants and he bashed one of his contestants for gaining weight, so suddenly fat is a left-wing thing. It's easy to find right-wing fat women as long as they're the religious type, which is who I go for. Most of the religious right-wingers only voted for Trump because they see the left hating them, and he's their only option. A good chunk of them can't stand him.

Example: I'm a former leftist who now leans right. I've faced a lot of hate from leftists because I'm a straight white working-class Christian man from the deep South. It's like what real minority groups go through, except it's from the people who claim they're against hate. I'll probably never vote for a left-wing candidate again. I wish I'd realized that earlier in life. Plus I'm not feminist and I don't date feminist women, which means I'm limited to right-wing women.

The left-wing pro-fat community is too little too late. They may push for more acceptance of fat women, but they've destroyed the chances of bigger women being considered beautiful in society. If everybody's beautiful, then nobody's beautiful. Lena Dunham and Tess Munster are two of the least attractive fat women I've ever seen. (At least Rebel Wilson is cute.) Fat admirers won't be accepted for at least fifty more years thanks to the size acceptance crowd. When I was younger, I thought feminism brought in the thin beauty standard and that it was against size acceptance. It may not be true but it still makes more sense to me than "fat feminism". That's like saying "short skyscraper".
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Ah the sad plight of the white man, burdened and repressed all at once by the Great Strahweh, peace be upon him.
>>6339
>In the US where I'm from, it's because the entire political spectrum re-aligned itself along pro-Trump/anti-Trump lines. Trump used to run beauty pageants and he bashed one of his contestants for gaining weight, so suddenly fat is a left-wing thing.

I'd disagree. It's been there for awhile simply because of the rejection of society's beauty standards, it's amplified because the SocJus types are becoming more extreme, to stop the backlash.

>they've destroyed the chances of bigger women being considered beautiful in society. If everybody's beautiful, then nobody's beautiful

It's not considered attractive simply due to abundance. Due to the food supply there's little struggle to feed yourself so fat is considered lack of will as opposed to wealth. That can only change if either there's a collapse or everything becomes so fat that 200lbs is considered thin.
>>6341
>I'd disagree. It's been there for awhile simply because of the rejection of society's beauty standards, it's amplified because the SocJus types are becoming more extreme, to stop the backlash.

This seems more accurate. I noticed fat and leftism start to intersect more often around the early 2010s, when Tumblr-style feminism started to peek its head into mainstream society (See: The progressive stack that helped fuck Occupy Wall Street). Since then, it's more or less gained control of the fat community, to a point where you're either forced to be some flavor of leftist within such circles or be cast out of it entirely. Honestly feel like most people can't be bothered to be bullied by people who sit on Feabie for like 12+ hours a day every day.

>It's not considered attractive simply due to abundance. Due to the food supply there's little struggle to feed yourself so fat is considered lack of will as opposed to wealth. That can only change if either there's a collapse or everything becomes so fat that 200lbs is considered thin.

Abundance may be a factor now, since the rate of obesity has been increasing much faster than the number of people who are openly attracted to fat people. But the beauty standard of women wasn't "super fat" for several decades, even when obese people were much less common. A collapse could certainly normalize the rate of fat lovers vs. fat people, though.
>>6342 I think that's one reason judgmentofparis.com, a plus-size model site, stopped updating. The guy who ran it isn't just right-wing, he's a neo-Nazi who wishes Hitler had won WWII and hates Jews, black people, etc. I didn't know until a few years ago. Now he keeps his attraction to bigger women secret. It hurts like hell to think about it. It's weird to have a guy run a site about fashion models anyway.

Chubby girls could be in a conservative beauty standard as part of a super-feminine look. Emphasize them being soft and round, with pretty faces, long hair, and high girly voices. I'm biased because this is what I like. Most of the BBW community does the opposite.

This is a great time for BBW porn but a terrible time for dating BBWs. And I'd much rather have a girlfriend or a wife than a porn collection.
>>6347
>This is a great time for BBW porn but a terrible time for dating BBWs.
Truer words have never been said.

>>6339
>Trump used to run beauty pageants and he bashed one of his contestants for gaining weight, so suddenly fat is a left-wing thing.
Which is a retarded reason to switch it. The man ran a pageant for people who find that kind of thing beautiful. Doing the opposite because you don't like the guy sounds like a really childish temper tantrum.

>If everybody's beautiful, then nobody's beautiful.
At the end of the day, I remember an old saying a wise man told me. "Different spokes for different folks". It's impossible to be beautiful by 100% of any population, some people just want something different. This whole "everyone is beautiful" shit sounds like a immature highschool girl who wants to be sought after by tons of guys to make up for her lack of, well, whatever is wrong with her sad life.

>Tess Munster are two of the least attractive fat women I've ever seen.
Tess is ugly inside and out. She's a walking overexaggerated stereotype that looks like she came out of an episode of Seinfeld. Except it's real life.
>>6347
>Chubby girls could be in a conservative beauty standard as part of a super-feminine look. Emphasize them being soft and round, with pretty faces, long hair, and high girly voices

I guess it depends on your definition of "chubby". As women get bigger on average, I could see the ~35 BMI area becoming a fairly popular beauty standard. But if we're talking like average height or shorter and 300+ pounds, then it won't be happening anytime soon.

>This is a great time for BBW porn but a terrible time for dating BBWs.
First part is definitely true, second part not as much. BBWs with good personalities certainly are less abundant, but they're still there. The "awful" ones are a minority, IMO.

>>6351
>At the end of the day, I remember an old saying a wise man told me. "Different spokes for different folks". It's impossible to be beautiful by 100% of any population, some people just want something different. This whole "everyone is beautiful" shit sounds like a immature highschool girl who wants to be sought after by tons of guys to make up for her lack of, well, whatever is wrong with her sad life.
Exactly. Everyone is beautiful to someone, but no one is beautiful to everyone. I think people who push this narrative are largely doing so out of personal benefit.

>Tess is ugly inside and out. She's a walking overexaggerated stereotype that looks like she came out of an episode of Seinfeld. Except it's real life.
Agreed. Honestly wonder if the media is pushing her as the face of BBW modeling in a subtle effort to get guys to hate BBW women more.
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I've never seen a group of people pretend to stand for so many things anti hate, actually spew so much hate so easily. The number of people who just get absorbed and completely warped into different people entirely is alarming.

Over the course of like 2 months you can see someone's profile go from saying "cassie, 19, california, and two months later it's now "hello and go fuck yourself ;), cassie star, 19, zee zey POC trans Ally (holla at my LGBTQ++ fams, bi-demi-non-tertiary personal pansexual pizza #punch a cis, super chill 420 friendly but don't mansplain to me about how I need to start showering again #effyourbeautystandards, and anon messages are literal rape and will be forwarded to the Cali police. "

They have this surface level abrasive hostility right from the start, a perpetual forcefield of "what's that supposed to mean" while also having a compulsion to shout from the rooftops how accepting and oh so good they are for doing absolute nothing. They have nothing real going on and don't know who they really ARE so all they can do is shout what they're NOT like that's worth something or a stand in for a real personality.

And so often its straight fat white girls yelling about gay and black issues while telling other people they dont have grounds to be talking about issues that aren't 'their own' loool.

It's all about loudly projecting, so, like a uniform, they all start doing it visually with koolaid hair and dame edna glasses to even make their appearances loud. It's all surface level.

The vast majority are basic white girls acting like they started the civil rights movement because they watched black panther and identify as one of the 20,000 made up sexualities and genders they heard for the first time last week. And they would love nothing more than for you to notice them and ask, so they get to tell you all about how uniquely oppressed they are with their upper middle class white family. Like no, it wasn't misogyny that your white male teacher wanted your assignment done the same day as everyone else Meghan.

They like to talk about everyone being beautiful and deserving to be treated right, but are not above screaming like mentally ill children when they don't like something or other people don't tiptoe around them.

They love rallying for things and causes more than actually doing anything so they end up treating other communities like their own fantasy football. Some of them are so fragile they'd type about how they were basically raped because someone at subway asked them to leave when she yelled at them for not putting enough mayo on her sub. Maybe the mayo was problematic.

It's all a contest to see who's the purest of their own made up hierarchy, and who has the highest oppression level and righteousness power level like its DBZ.

Even among themselves "It's hard being a lesbian, I'm so discriminated against and life is such a struggle everyd--."
"I hear that, being a black girl, I---"
"it's not the same"
3rd person :"Leave her alone."
"It's HIM, I go by he him."
"I'm black AND gay so can I just say--.."
4th person : "Well I'm black gay AND transgendered, so all of you stop."
5th : "Well I'm black and in a wheelchair so I think---."
...
"My wheelchair is trans."

The only thing they all agree on is that everything is straight white mens' faults (some straight white men even agree with them but they have to be named Brent or Dakota), and that they need to rise up and fight for something they aren't quite sure of with casual hostility, exclusionary 'one strike youre out' witch hunting, and their own brand of toxic behavior on the internet. Shit is a waste dump of hipster glasses, high waisted tutus and starbucks gift cards.
>>6347

Was that the same guy whose presence on Feabie triggered the shitstorm that led to Jess resigning as a mod? I never heard of judgmentofparis, but a guy who's an open FA and ALSO an open neo-Nazi seems like a pretty rare combo.
>>6357
You leave Starbucks out of this.
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This thread is wild, it's just a bunch of weird alt right guys trying to red pill FAs

And since right wingers pretty much think in terms of memes when it comes to politics, their views are informed more by 4chan copypastas and fb memes than by actual literature or half-decent news, which leaves them unable to articulate opinions ("CisScum" lol) or discuss politics except in terms of whatever buzzword descriptors are currently flavor of the month
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>>6340
>>6362

you're mad because people are having thoughtful discussion and ignoring your obvious baitposts
>>6362
Thank you for making some damned SENSE.
>>6366
I can't tell if he's mad, or if it's a shitty bait post.
>>6351 Absolutely agree on everything.

>>6353
>Agreed. Honestly wonder if the media is pushing her as the face of BBW modeling in a subtle effort to get guys to hate BBW women more.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Tess ruined plus-size modeling for me.

>>6357 People like that are why I can't say I'm against racism in public any more. If I'm against any kind of hate, people think I'm one of *those* people. And the "anti-hate" crowd hates me when I did nothing wrong. So nice to see other people complain about this on a BBW-themed site.

>>6358 Probably not. He was an open FA before he was an open neo-Nazi, and now he's a closet FA. He also writes everything in Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness style (look it up on TV Tropes).

>>6374 All I know is in the past few years I've been called both "alt-right" by leftists and a "snowflake" by Trump fans. I must be doing something right.
>>2842
SJWs are cancer
Being overwight is unhealthy, that's all people are saying
>>6406
what a strawman, no one will kill you if you're against racism. Victim cult you are in.
>>6339

>Trump used to run beauty pageants and he bashed one of his contestants for gaining weight, so suddenly fat is a left-wing thing.

No offense, but this is kind of a silly analysis. Trump is a symptom of the extreme partisan divide in America, not the cause. Fat SJWs existed long before he entered the 2016 Presidential race.

Good post otherwise, though. I'm a moderate Democrat who still votes begrudgingly for the party, because on the issues that matter most to me (labor rights and the environment), they're still the lesser evil. But it gets harder and harder every election cycle as the identity politics culture war stuff gets more and more unhinged.

>They may push for more acceptance of fat women, but they've destroyed the chances of bigger women being considered beautiful in society. If everybody's beautiful, then nobody's beautiful. Lena Dunham and Tess Munster are two of the least attractive fat women I've ever seen.

NYC/LA media/fashion people are the most judgmental, status-obsessed yuppies on the planet, and you'd better believe that none of THEM are ever going to skip hot yoga and trade their kale smoothie for a hamburger. They know exactly what they're doing by making Tess and Lena the face of "size acceptance." Meanwhile, fat actresses who come across as classy and appealing are typecast as the "wacky fat woman" in comedies (Melissa McCarthy) or as the "depressed fat woman" in dramas (Chrissy Metz).
>>6417
>Meanwhile, fat actresses who come across as classy and appealing are typecast as the "wacky fat woman" in comedies (Melissa McCarthy) or as the "depressed fat woman" in dramas (Chrissy Metz).
And the thing is, their weight is what makes them stand out. And Hollywood doesn't like that either, and they will pressure these women into losing weight at all costs.

I don't know if you remember Sara Rue, but when I was a teenager in the 00s, she was in a ton of things and I used to crush on her before I realized I liked BBWs. Then at the start at this decade she got pressured enough into losing weight or something, and she paraded around in commercials that she lost weight and so can you. Now she's in literally nothing because the one trait she had that made her unique and interesting is gone.

Chrissy Metz though is nice, and she sounds like a real nice person IRL too.
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>>6417
I feel like this happens to the US left in every generation. They run up against concentrated power and instead of achieving some sort of class consciousness, they get bogged down in semantics and trivialities. Nobody cares about gender pronouns when the economy is on their minds.

So you can keep voting for Clinton or Gore or Obama, but there's no popular movement behind it to come through in the end.
>>6432
"The difficult part of a revolution isn't starting it- it's ending it." -paraphrase of some early supporter of the French Revolution looking back at it (I forget who it was, but I remember coming across it in a class on the French Revolution and thinking it's apt for so many things)
>>6436
Where's the choice? We finally overcome the crisis thanks to the expertise of super centrist technicians? Please.
>>6436
>The difficult part of a revolution isn't starting it- it's ending it
Macron knows that all too well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphVOUTxqLY
>>6437
Just keep the big picture in mind and don't end up all Committee of Public Safety about it. Or being bogged down in semantics and trivialities that destroy any momentum the movement may have had.

>>6443
The difficult part is getting the Revolution to keep itself from becoming a runaway train that makes everyone else think the old system was better.
>>6288
>4chan crowd not on /trash/ fucking hates fat chicks.
You realize "4chan crowd" don't hate anything? They are a collection of anonymous users who have the ability and lack of site moderation to freely talk shit about anything they see. Even on sticky threads held as memorials for someone's death you are almost guaranteed to see at least 1 post laughing or spitting on the grave of said deceased person. That is the nature of the site.
I don't mean to make a big deal of this, but I cannot express enough that 4chan allows itself to snowball way past the natural feelings of its members to the point where mocking and shitposting takes the form of hatred. In reality, and excuse the cheesiness of how this sounds, nothing is sacred when there are hardly any punishments for vocalizing negativity for ANY reason, be it serious, humorous, or anywhere in between.
I cannot count how many "thicc thursday" threads on /v/ or big girl threads on /co/ I've seen reach the bump limit because of how into it people can get, and especially nowdays any board that has any form of lewd kinks will have a fat thread.
TLDR: 4chan is just big talk, they don't mean half of what is said there.
>>6357
>I've never seen a group of people pretend to stand for so many things anti hate, actually spew so much hate so easily
Furries, but that's all I got
>>6470
>TLDR: 4chan is just big talk, they don't mean half of what is said there.
Just like real life.
>>3951 I don't know why but... I think that would make a funny distopian future story... Anyone seen any around?
We will go the way of neaderthals... extinct..
>>6362
Truer words have never been spoken, it's not hard to date a BBW unless your political thought is women should be marginalized and have a shrine to Milton Freidman in your house.
>>6362
>And since right wingers pretty much think in terms of memes when it comes to politics
Oh and the left is any better? They get fucking triggered over pictures of frogs, and dox smiling kids who do nothing wrong at a pro-life rally. Castrate yourself, stupid people like you shouldn't reproduce.
>>6362
hurr durr everyone here is an ebil nazi
>>6574
He's only saying it because the Right knows how to make memes while the Left is a meme and that's only because the Left has gotten so unhinged that they've become incapable of laughter outside of spite.
>dox smiling kids who do nothing wrong at a pro-life rally
Don't forget they wished harm would come to the kids too but luckily there's lawyers willing to go pro bono to sue the pricks with clout for libel.
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>>6577
You mean that PR firm they hired to discredit everyone else present? Shut it down, Pedes, we finally have our new Rosa Parks.
I just want to say too that the republican is what basically AOC, you trigger liberals enough and eventually they'll elect a socialist. Who knows where this crazy ride with AOC will end.

It's exciting, I don't agree with everything she says, socialist orthodoxy can definitely be scary. But she's saying for the first a lot of what my generation feels, and proposing solutions to this broken ass system that might actually work
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Guys, guys, no need to fight amongst ourselves. We all know who the real enemy is.
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>>6577

The Covington fiasco is exactly the sort of nonsense that makes it harder and harder for me to identify with liberals/the left despite being an economic progressive. Every white male is guilty until proven innocent of being a Nazi Klansman racist rapist, and by the time they actually ARE proven innocent, the news cycle has long since moved on to the next viral outrage, and nobody actually has to take responsibility for the mess left behind in some innocent kid's life.

>>6580

Probably responding to b8 here, but have you actually watched the full video and not the 60-second excerpt the mainstream media played?

The kids are guilty of being country boys who don't know how to handle themselves in a big city. "Don't get baited by the Black Hebrew Israelites" is like Street Smarts 101 if you've ever lived in NYC or Philly, their whole gimmick is standing on street corners yelling offensively racist shit at people and trying to get a reaction out of them. But it's clear from the full video that the kids didn't start or escalate the conflict beyond the basic fact that they were responding at all. The "wise native elder" is actually a professional activist who was on his way to disrupt a church ceremony (!).

Assuming your post was in good faith and not bait, do you really not see how this kind of stuff is just making partisan divisions worse?

>>6581

I'm cautiously optimistic about AOC. I'm not a socialist, but I want to see FDR-style economic progressivism back on the agenda, and so far she's done a pretty good job (though not without occasional slips) of gracefully delivering a message that's focused on class and economics rather than identity wanking. She could well flame out in the next couple years, but IMO the obvious next step for her would be a Senate run, which would give her the chance to take her message to a potentially hostile audience in upstate NY and win them over. If she can convince laid-off white factory workers in places like Johnstown and Elmira that they're in the same working class boat as the Latinos and desis in her home district, all bets are off. On the flipside, the absolute best way for her opponents to neutralize her (both the GOP and neolib Dems) will be to bait her into voluntarily climbing into the Maxine Waters box (crazy minority in a demographically safe seat.) Interesting times.
>>6589
>Covington fiasco
At least it will led to the death of big news outlets who see nothing wrong with yellow journalism.
>Every white male is guilty until proven innocent of being a Nazi Klansman racist rapist
Not even just white males, anyone who disagrees with them, does something small they don't like, or made a post a decade ago when it was okay will be thrown into the meat grinder no matter there sex, race, creed, or sexual orientation to feed the hordes self gratification.

>AOC
If by some strange outcome it turns out she's able to grow and learn from her mistakes, the Dems are just gonna Bern her since they don't like people not doing what they say or the Leftist radicals are gonna turn against her.
Honestly, I have little appreciation for folks who just want to watch the whole thing burn. Call me an unpatriotic, but I tend to believe in America’s future, and the nature of a democracy is that it’s our responsibility to make sure it’s good to us.

This fucking tax reform is a total mess. I personally profit from it, but it’s basically a give away to people like me who already have loads of tax advantages, with an IOU for all you younger folks to pick up. Good for me, but bad for the country overall—so I actually don’t like it.

I don’t know how basic economics became ‘class warfare’ lol. I mean it was pretty fucking obvious long before AOC came along...
>>6629
>I have little appreciation for folks who just want to watch the whole thing burn
At this point everything looks like they need a good phoenix renewal unless people can get together to push the government into cracking down hard on the corporations and outlaw things like Facebook and Twitter.

>This fucking tax reform is a total mess
From what you've said, it sounds like its the government trying to do something about the retirement funds situation.

>AOC
They're already plotting to Bern her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IyOQGSTSYQ
as an unironic libertarian who loves fatties.
The honest reason why all this happens is because these girls get bullied, then end up on the internet years later selling tits and vagoo for V-bucks.
I just want to live in a world where people can just do whatever the fuck and not be judged for it. Let me live in a tower fortress serviced by BBWs on hand and foot while I make money off the working man
>>6629
The Founding Fathers would disapprove of the US today and that's not a good thing

sorry for double post
>>6639
>The honest reason why all this happens is because these girls get bullied, then end up on the internet years later selling tits and vagoo for V-bucks.
Sort of. Getting bullied definitely takes a toll on a person's psyche, which is why you see a lot of fat girls turn bitter by their adult years. Combine this with fat-positive echochambers, and you get the "angry fat feminist" stereotype that's all too common on Feabie and the like. Essentially, they seek a place where they're accepted, and said group will accept them, provided they accept or "convert to" their worldviews. I feel legitimately bad for the fat Millenial/Gen Z girls who aren't left-wing. The sex work is really a combination of bullying-induced self-insecurity and previously-mentioned echo chambers, which seem to borderline flat-out encourage girls to go into sex work.

>I just want to live in a world where people can just do whatever the fuck and not be judged for it.
Unfortunately, this will probably simply never happen. People expect others to at least somewhat live according to the viewer's ideals. As an also-Libertarian, I'd LOVE if people just let people do as they wanted (provided they didn't directly infringe on the rights of others), but it realistically won't happen. Doubly-so for fat people if everyone's expected to financially support the well-being of everyone else.
>>6645
>That may be the right thing to strive for, but since it would never completely become true everywhere, don’t advocate for what you believe is right

This is an exhaustingly stupid argument. Unfortunately it’s everywhere and gives me a headache.
we cannot have bbws if there is no food or food is rationed

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>>3908
based fellow hoppeanist
>why are so many fat girls obnoxious SJW dangerhairs?

I like to consider myself fairly left wing. But yeh it does seem like an issue and there's a number of parts as to why.

1) Some are self loathing still because of the whole FAT = Ugly etc etc stuff and SJW politics removes the idea that women are personally responsible because they're lower on the progressive stack thus it's the fault of people higher up the stack. It's not their fault for getting fat and not being attractive to the Robert Patterson's of the world. It's the fault of the Cis-White-Hetereonormative-capitalist-patriarchy for not recognising them as just as sexy to everyone as [insert whichever actress you find sexy here]

2) SJW infection is like a cult take over. Those who don't fall in line get "Defooed" and driven out. Those who can't be driven out easily get driven out by other means such as anonamous messages from supposed creepy male stalkers or they get accused of attacking some-one or other or being associated with said people. Plenty of girls do operate outside the cult as such the problem being if / when they draw the ire and attention of the cult by operating or doing something deemed against it. Basically a lot of the Legbeard stuff is because they're worried about being pushed out or just don't want to deal with the drama bullshit that would happen if they didn't tow the line.

3) SJW ideology and progressive stack politics states that because they're lower down in the stack people deemed to be higher up (Men) owe them something thus them asking to be fed and asking for money is deemed not just acceptable but expected under said politics. Oh and anyone refusing is then not a sane rational person trying to avoid being exploited by an evil oppressor.

4) SJW ideology and the cult like operation of said ideology draws them into it. It tries to create co-dependencies so if they step out of line the cult can pull all contact and all friendship as punishment and the goal being for them to feel they have no-where else to turn and them standing up for themselves or their beliefs isn't supported by anyone.

>is saying "obesity is unhealthy" really a civil rights violation like racism or homophobia?

No it is a pain in the arse though.

Imagine if everytime you smoked or had an alcoholic drink or hell did any extreme sport there was some-one certain to go "You know that's unhealthy right it'll kill you" It gets boring. It's a case of "Yeh no shit Sherlock do you really think everyone in the world is an oblivious moron to the risks?" Hell for some girls the unhealthy aspect of it all is actually an additional turn on knowing they're doing something "bad".

>will there be a national shortage of thicc Latinas if Trump builds the wall?

Hell no.
Streamline the immigration process properly and you might find more thicc Latinas. Because it sure as hell isn't the Thicc Latina's who are paying smugglers to lead them through treacharous deserts where they risk death from dehydration. The Thicc Latinas are mostly going to be the sane one who apply through the cushy route of immigration applications or College Visa stuff.

>if the fascists win, will they throw all the BBWs into weight loss camps because "muh degeneracy"?

Yes, and this is for either Fascist side.

Alt-right will see them as outrageous and immoral.
CTRL-Left will see them as deviations from the approved requirements of a citien thus in need of re-education.
>>6752

Forgot to add

>why are so many fat girls obnoxious SJW dangerhairs?

5) Because some guys outside of the fetish see fat girls as an easy lay. Some guys inside the fetish see similar and the desirable guys in the fetish sometimes exploit the desirability by carrying on with multiple girls until found out. This creates resentment and similar to how Miss Havisham in Great Expectations develop a hatred of men so have many SJWs and infact SJWs are fine with such hatred and blaming all men for the actions of a minority.
>>6753
No, they end up that way because a lot of them end up as models to pay off college bills which is a place where the vast majority of SJWs get their indoctrination. The degenerate left likes to say they're inclusive (far worse at it than todays Right) and will say they fight for body shaming and with the job of a fetish model, they get some customers being creepy. That's why they are or will become landwhales.

>>6752
>I like to consider myself fairly left wing
You sure you're not just a little left of center?
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>>6753
>>6757
>extremely Jordan Peterson voice

The dragon of chaos is incapable of complex thought and will result to ad hominem attacks such as 'the penis is evil!' and 'The restraining order says you're not supposed to come within 10 ft of me!'
>>6752
>Alt-right will see them as outrageous and immoral.
>CTRL-Left will see them as deviations from the approved requirements of a citien thus in need of re-education.

Glad I'm a spacebar.
>>6760
Brits look away or risk being vanned for wrongsight.
















































































































>I'm a spacebar
>"why are fat girls always such ess jew dubloos?? xDD"

>every right wing journo ever: top 10 reasons why every fat person should immediately kill themselves
Bump with a slightly aggravated reminder that this thread exists. I enjoy political debate but let's not let it derail every single goddamn thread, ok?
>>7541
At one point, I could have agreed with you. However, since certain felt the need to inject their diversity and tolerance bullshit nonsense into literally everything, the time for civil discourse is over. They want to ruin our escapes with their drivel? Fine. There will no quarter shown for anything these people hold near and dear either, to the point that no matter where they turn, there will be reality, kicking them in the fucking teeth.
>>6771
I don't generally read political journalism, and indeed I try to refrain from politics altogether now as a dangerously passionate and mentally damaging idol of modern life, but I have never seen this.
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>>7546
how's your campaign going, carl?
>>7550
>as a guy with his head in the sand, i can't see anything
ok
>>7551
If he actually said that, absolutely based. I don't give a shit either.
>>3847
>‘SJW’ buzzword mostly comes from any group reacting to the new technology era.

Okay you must be a real self-righteous prick or completely lack situational awareness to say that.

The level of batshit insanity and Orwellian tier censorship and wordplay going on is such a massive scale that these people are just the soulless footsoldiers.

People are correct in calling out these neurotic self-righteous (most likely childless middle-class or spoiled & clueless collegiates) for trying to show their insane shit down people's throat.

I mean we're at the point in human history where a generation of 20 year olds EATING LAUNDRY DETERGENT BECAUSE A PHONE AND THE IDIOTS ON IT SAID IT WAS TRENDY are dumb enough to think that whatever is spouted on technology is gospel all while completely oblivious to what is actually causing them problems.

>>3873 Precisely where we are heading.

Ethnicity and racialism have (until the 60s-present) have always been a thing but called different names.

Franks vs Goths, Romans vs Everyone, Euros vs Kebabs. Its nature at work.

Fuck even the bible of all these things knows this shit:

6 And indeed, one of the children of Israel came and presented to his brethren a Midianite woman in the sight of Moses and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping at the door of the tabernacle of meeting.
7 Now when Phinehas the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose from among the congregation and took a javelin in his hand;
8 and he went after the man of Israel into the tent and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her body. So the plague was stopped among the children of Israel.

No different than Dogs going up against wolves. Always has been always will. Anything else is malicious deceit or delusional utopianism

>>7550

Right so you have no right to bitch about everything being shit or anything happening because you choose to plug your fingers in your ears.
> I feel legitimately bad for the fat Millenial/Gen Z girls who aren't left-wing.

Dude those women are lost. Trust me they are the future fur-babies or wake up one morning and jump out the window.

Tried working on a 20-something librarian with a nice thick ass and overall pear shape but holy shit the neurosis was blatantly obvious on her even though she wasnt full sjw nutzoid.

Obession with animals to the max.
>>7559
these goddamn nazi right wing talking points are shit

"I'm so oppressed by people on tumblr"
"Decadence"
"Evil Jews and Muslims!"
"A jordan peterson level understanding of evolutionary biology"
>>7553
my point is you wanna talk about this "reality" of yours and yet any attempt by anyone to impose this kind of thinking in actual reality has shown it to be nothing but an embarrassing comedy of errors. you can't meaningfully change the world by parroting /pol/ and youtube comment sections. all you end up doing is making yourself look like a delusional retard
>>7562
>tumblrites could ever dream of oppressing anyone but themselves in any sort of capacity
>our culture isnt comprised of people buying shit that they dont need with money they dont have to impress people they don't even like
>nothing bad will come of mixing vastly differing cultural practices and racial backgrounds in the same environment
>Jordan Peterson is anything more than a leftist boogeyman, psuedo-intellectual carpet salesman shilling self help that he doesnt follow himself as philosophy to centerists
>"Everything I disagree with is Nazism and shit"
Fucking pleb

>>7564
This reality you speak of is a place where where people claiming to be peaceful people are imposing their peaceful ways by force and any sort of criticism or retaliation is met with attempts of outright censorship and ridicule by an incrediblely loud minority of people and being reinforced by media corporations that are owned by an even smaller group of people to control thought and public opinion. The reason you are upset seeing varying opinions starting to pop up beyond places like /pol/ is because /pol/ has broken containment. Its the reason why you're seeing "Community Guidelines" messages above comments sections on Youtube, because a majority of people have gotten fed up with this bullshit nonsense about diversity and tolerance. We have seen what it leads to and we're not buying it.
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>>7562 Congratulations on being exactly the kind of solpsistic relativist that is as two-faced as they are stupid

please see pic for better example

>>7566 Again ironically or not a lot of the chodes here need to get offline or unplug once in a while and actually think.

Guys like >7562 are complete brain-dead morons who see the world almost entirely through the lens of media or whatevers socially popular at the time as a way to virtue signal while figuratively and in the case here literally beating their meat.

Perfect example: I like fat chicks but I'm smart enough and have enough agency not to buy into the "Body Positivity" bullshit because quite frankly all its going to do is lead to a lot of fat retards killing themselves en masse over time while acting like self-righteous cunts and making the general public ironically hate them more.

Its the same kind of lack of actual thought that makes guys like >>7562 white knight for stupid shit or wonder why X model retired due to health issues and bitch she's not eating herself to an early death and carcass being carried out by crane.
How does it feel to have started the dumbest fucking thread I've ever seen on this site? For the love of god, please go back to 4chan, all of you cancerous retards.
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>>7590
Blow it out your ass
>>7588
What's the point of virtue signaling on an anonymous message board anon?

Is it so hard to imagine that somebody would get bored of hearing /pol nazis repeat the same bullshit for years and years about "decadence" and the "bell curve" and whatever evolva gibberish

at least make some like heideggerian critiques of technology or something, this is boring
>>7588
Don't call me a goddamn solipsistic relativist either haha. I've thought about morality a little bit and do have a damn code lol

As far as body positivity goes there's definitely "problematic" parts of it. Encouraging anybody to gain weight past a certain point is really shitty. And body positivity can ignore reality sometimes

But like half of the United States is fat. Being mean to them about it hasn't helped them lose weight has it? Why should everybody that's fat be told they're ugly? Especially when it's not true haha
And there's legitimate ways to be fat and healthy. Some fat people are a lot healthier than others depending on a lot of factors

What you /pol nazis never take into account is that some traditional values are real dumb. Is ridiculing fat people really going to help them? Or is it a prejudice that we're stuck with from an earlier time that is no longer beneficial?

To actually consider what traditional values are worth keeping around is a lot more interesting to me than nazi bullshit
>>7592
I'm just hoping both sides get into a fight and end up killing each other so the rest of us can fap in peace.
>>7592
>point of virtue signaling on a chan board
Maybe because you literally can't help yourself from doing it, everywhere, from social media to your everyday life, in a hollow attempt to increase your social status, even in places where nobody gives a fuck? Its funny, to think that a group so concerned with appearing to be the pinnacle of virtuosity hold nothing but contempt for religion. You seem like the same kind of person that is in every religion, who does things they are told, not because they actually think its the right thing to do, but because they believe there is some reward or ultimate prize in it for them.

>decandence and the bell curve
Again, instead of just dismissing these points as "muh Nazi pol", how about you refute them? Most likely, its because you have visited /pol/ and got utterly rekt. Frankly, I think you're going to have a hard time at this point with "muh bell curve" considering the SAT recently posted a very familiar graph, showcasing their new "adversity" scoring, where test scores are no longer based soley on scholastic aptitude but social and economic status, showing performance on the test by race and it showed results almost identical to those shown in "The Bell Curve" in regards to intelligence by race.

>>7593
>haha
>lol
>but like
>real dumb
>prejudice
>muh code
>muh nazis
>I'm going to twist something a philosopher said into a pretzel to fit my arguement because I'm also philosopher, as you could probably tell by my sound arguements and grammar of freshman high school thot sending a catty text message. Pardon me, as I attempt to excuse the health issue of obesity in America as "People are just being dicks for the sake of being dicks and it totally doesnt, like, degrade your happiness and well being from increased mortality rates caused by diseases or like, put a burden on society as a whole or anything haha lol"

The cringe is real, boys. Fuck off back to plebbit


>>7595
>I can wait out mass civil unrest in my house masturbating
Not gonna make it
>>7588
Based and subversionpilled
>>7642
>Again, instead of just dismissing these points as "muh Nazi pol", how about you refute them? Most likely, its because you have visited /pol/ and got utterly rekt

I know you people are never going to get this through your skulls, but once again let me assure you: nobody is interested in your opinions, nobody is "triggered" by you, nobody is getting "destroyed" by you, nobody's beliefs are being challenged by you. We're just annoyed. You're a nuisance. You're the crying baby on the airplane, you're the old lady in the waiting room loudly sucking on a mint, you're the redneck neighbor's perpetually-outside dog barking continuously at 3 in the morning. We don't want you to change your beliefs, we don't want to fight you, we just want you to go somewhere else and let us have a normal quiet little community. It's a big internet and there's countless places for you to go and find like-minded people to have these conversations with. Please, just give us a break.
>>7642
This poor bastard gonna talk about virtue signaling while he has a trip code! fuck off
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>>7642
I chose to write that write that way, it's fun to go from super aggressive to using like and but, and maybe it actually communicates something with your addled brain.

People that say "Based and subversionpilled" probably shouldn't throw stones anyways lol

Also yes obesity is an issue. But there's a lot of different ways to deal with it. I guess your way to deal with it is to call them degenerates and then masturbate?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>7654
dood everything is a social constuct just like don't have morals or standards lmao
>>7656
Or maybe morals and standards are things that shouldn’t ever be simply accepted and should always at least be quietly challenged and interrogated by your judgement and experience in the world?

I don’t understand how you could be a moral person if you didn’t?
>>7650
You know, I was going to take more time to reply to this post, but I will simply say "No." I'm not going anywhere. If you don't want to have a political discussion, refute any of the points being made by myself or anyone else for that matter, which is what this thread is about, and just call people Nazis, then fuck off elsewhere, you monumentally dense faggot.

>>7660
>/pol/ is one person
You tried
>>3806
>why are so many fat girls obnoxious SJW dangerhairs?
Loaded question. Fat girls generally don't seem that much different from normal girls, at least from my experience. I don't know what you've experienced from most fat chicks. I think generally they lack the self-confidence to really espouse their political views.
>is saying "obesity is unhealthy" really a civil rights violation like racism or homophobia?
Who is saying this? Anyway, it's not an untrue statement. Obesity is associated with a lot of life-threatening conditions, though I believe the mortality rates for obese people are going down. This is probably due to medical advances and whatnot. Plus, the number of obese people is gradually going up.
Maybe in some far future scenario, we all get to live in our Utopian dream world where everyone is fat and we all get state mandated super-sized gfs with no negative health effects, but that's probably a way off. For now, I think it's worth informing people about the possible negative side effects of obesity, while at the same time trying not to stigmatise or bodyshame them.
>will there be a national shortage of thicc Latinas if Trump builds the wall?
You speak from a burgerland perspective, friendo, so as a europoor, I would not know.
>if the fascists win, will they throw all the BBWs into weight loss camps because "muh degeneracy"?
The kind of people who say muh degeneracy aren't gonna be running the country any time soon. We have examples of countries implementing laws against obese people that could arguably be considered authoritarian however. For example, Japan forces obese citizens to attend counselling if their waste-lines are too large, probably to put less strain on the costs of keeping the country's massive senior population alive. We'd probably see something like that in a fascist state.
>if the communists win, will there be no more BBWs because we're all starving in a mass famine?
Probably.
>>7661
i recanted at first but yeah calling you a /pol/ nazi really is just calling a spade a spade.
>/pol/ is one person
you were the one who originally insisted /pol/ (singular) was right and apparently btfo that other anon so you're a problem to your own cause. sounds like you're just pussyfooting around indefensible ideologies while still cozying up to them
>>7661
>If you don't want to have a political discussion

This is not a political discussion. This is trolls from /pol/ trying to ruin yet another imageboard.
>>7661
Dumb namefag.
>>7675
Dumb jacks off to BBWs fag. Go suck a trans woMAN cock
>>7643
subversion is soooooo 2000s, you gotta get on git, it is far superior for all your repository functional needs
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>Why yes I call decent, traditional people Nazis all the time
>Oh you don't agree with me on everything
>don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again, you NAZI
>>7688
>traditional people

"traditional" = codeword for wanting society to regress back to 1955, where the negroes kept to themselves and the women knew their place in the kitchen

it's also hilariously absurd that people born in the 90s/2000s want to bring the world back to an era they never lived in
>>7688
i can't wait to see another decent, traditional mass shooting on the news tomorrow
>>7695
They know what's good for them. They long for their justified inheritance of natural power. But hey everyone just loves equality, our false god of today.
>>7698
People don't trust each other as much in multicultural societies as they do in ethnostates. Americans are stupid to let everyone own guns.
>>7706
What is "natural power" anon? Is it being ruled over by a nationalistic strongman leader and "traditional people" have absolutely no power themselves? Because that's what it sounds like to me from your description but I could be wrong
>>7678
I'm flattered

>>7695
What is inherently wrong with blacks sticking to their own kind? Also, what is inherently wrong with a woman being a homekeeper and full time mother to her children?

>>7698
The US populace owns almost 50% of all small arms in the world. You can cry harder, but it still shall not be infringed.

>>7706
While I do agree with some of your sentiments, it is the right of every American to be able to bear arms, not only to defend themselves from people wishing to harm them or others, but from tyrannical government.
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You know i'm fairly certain that obesity was looked down upon in all the traditional 1930-50s family households you guys fetishize so much.

Also you don't get to call other people degenerates when you have an abnormal fetish that would gross out the vast majority of normies.
I think fat women are more likely to be feminist/sjw types because like, they don’t fit conventional beauty standards, and feminists complain about conventional beauty standards a lot. So of course they’re gonna be attracted to an ideology that tells them they aren’t ugly and bad
>>7695
The 50s were just as shitty as any other time. There are just some people who romanticize the 50s way too much. It was just as shitty of a time then than it is now.
>>7714
Liking fat women is a preference not a fetish
>>7738
It can be both. It just depends. If you like fat girls better than other girls, it's a preference. If only fat girls can get you off, then it's a fetish.
>>7742
My dick doesn't get hard looking at men. Does that mean I have a woman fetish?
>>7743
No, you, as a male, are just naturally disposed to be attracted to women. Homosexuals on the otherhand, fetishize having sex with the same sex.
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If you live in California, stay there, reap what you have sown, and go fuck yourselves. You are no longer Americans, but serfs, tools of your corporate masters and I refuse to pay for your pets any longer.
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>>7827
wow what that just might be ....the dumbest thing i've heard anybody say in a minute
>>7836
That's fine, YOU pay for every single persons healthcare who wanders into this country, faggot. You probably dont even have a job or pay taxes.
honestly amazed this shit has been allowed to exist so long as it has, learn a lesson from 4chan, containment boards/threads don't fucking work
>>7848
YOU should be allowed to exist, yet here you are, crying like a little bitch because reality has invaded your safe space. Instead of making any sort of counter-arguement, you call for outright censorship because any arguement you would make would be utter shit. Fuck off, you tool.
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>>7840
I have a job, pay taxes, smoke weed, and live in the great state of Washington

washington has its problems to be sure, but it has pretty good healthcare services and no state income tax
>>7862
Good for you, tell everyone south of Seattle to knock it the fuck off

T. The rest of the country
>>7848
go dilate and back to reddit.
>>7840

you, uh, know that you're already subsidizing everyone's healthcare, right?

so instead of cutting out the parasitic middlemen that are health insurance companies, you want to continue to subsidize them to provide a more expensive, lower quality of care than literally anywhere else in the "developed world".

that about right?
>>7900
Arguing with Fwoomph is like arguing with a pouty racist 5 year old don’t even bother. He’s the community’s resident incel troll
>>7900
>Im happy about subsidizing everyone's healthcare and Obmamacare was a great success
>Lets have the government provide us with everything, have some Victory Gin and strangle a prole while were at it
Just fuck it, let everyone in, people who work for a living will just keep paying the way for people who don't pay taxes themselves and bleed the country dry until it becomes a feudal corporate wasteland full of room temperature IQ people. Who really needs laws and standards anyway?

>>7902
>incel troll REEEEEEEEEE
Proof that you have no arguement. At least guy above tried, even though it was a shit arguement.
>>7920
Racist Fwoomph continuing to scream into community clouds
More news at 11
>>7921
It brings me great joy that you call me a racist, it doesn't affect me, and you have no idea how to respond but to just keep spamming the same tired old shit.
>>7922
Just like how you keep returning to the same threads over and over again while everyone moves on. It’s quite hilarious and heartwarming. Anytime I feel bad about myself you show up to remind me that my life and being could be so much worse
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>>3806
>>if the communists win, will there be no more BBWs because we're all starving in a mass famine?

Anarchist-Communism is based because it's the downfall of Capitalism, for the people & by the people - not that statist-vanguard-one-party bullshit peddled by most other Commies. Not to say I'm not cool with Leftist Unity and having them assist so that Capitalism is dealt with before moving on to forming stateless communes - whatever gets us there, only that it should be the end goal.

First and foremost Communism is the antithesis to Capitalism - whereas Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production & distribution, Communism is the public ownership of production & ownership - note, this mostly pertains to capital, not property. You keep your home, coats, TV, whatever - as long as it can reasonably only accommodate you/your family. If you've a large home and a large family, by all means you keep that - but if you're in a large home and it can reasonably house many others, you won't be kicked out (unless you resist), there'll just be one or several others in there with you. Capitalism is also killing the planet as the only goal in capitalism is to make profit by any means possible/necessary/legal. Profit motive is shit because rather than "I'm doing this for the betterment of society." it's "I'm doing this for cash." - which are not the same thing as some might try to argue (see: selling cigarettes, cheap/reckless hazardous materials dumping, selling fucking water).

For the Anarchism bit, regardless of form, each version of the state gives the monopoly of violence to a certain group - a militia/military, the police, those of religion, etc. All States use this monopoly on violence to force its citizens into doing many things they may not want to do - taxes are cool and all for the general welfare, however taxes can also go to certain awful militaries and their deeds, or certain child detention camps and border programs, etc. And if you try to resist, you'll be arrested/killed - which is violence against you. With Anarchism, everything would be voluntary - essentially if you join a commune, or a profession, or whatever - you'll participate for the benefits. If you don't like any single bit about it all, you are more than free to simply leave and find another that fits your bill. (Capitalism is coercive as well - either work exactly as you are told in an authoritative, hierarchical structure, or face reduced pay, unemployment, or starvation).
>>7934
cringe
>>7935
How so?
>>7934
Meanwhile the reality is Antifa types screeching at you and mobbing you if you do anything they find problematic.

The usual case of things are different in theory and in practice.
>>7939
Ancoms =/= Antifa exclusively - although a lot of Anarchists do support Anti-fascists action and groups.

While yes there are the few poor cases of those doing shit in the name of Anti-fascists action, Antifa as a whole is rather effective.
How about some productive conversation?
How does a /pol/ack-like man date a decent woman? No she dosen't have to scream "da jooz!1!" at everything, or even be aware of things like Central Banking or immigration trends. She just has to be "not liberal" and good relationship material.

As a disclaimer, I'll use the term "liberal" here to define those pushing LGBT rights, more immigration, more feminism, more censorship of "hate speech", etc. You know, those people. I am not a "hateful gnatzee that wants to gas 6 gorillion children", and I am not Alt-Right, so put away your ad hominems. It seems that both sides here are just shouting at strawmen of their own creation. The left doesn't really understand the disunited and formless workings of the current /pol/ type men and /pol/acks often condemn all left wingers as the shrieking rainbow-haired harpies we're all so familiar with. In this thread there have been a few liberals or left wingers who have managed to disagree respectfully, so let's try to aim for that in the service of productive discussion. If your only response is "Fuck you ebil gnatzee!" or "Go die of AIDS Libturd hurrdurr!" then kindly fuck off.


Now, to begin: I think we can agree that modern men have become weak soy-filled wimps, and women have become deranged golddigging thots. But what about the men trying to become the opposite of today's numale videogame obsessed wimps? Where are similar women trying to regain their femininity and classical beauty (or just women that won't flip out if you mention you don't like illegal immigration)? And more relevant, how do you find such women who are ALSO okay being plump and jiggly?

The common advice has been "look in churches, look in the countryside" but these approaches are flawed. It's almost a well known joke about how slutty a pastor's daughter is, and Anons have reported finding awful quality women in churches as well as small towns. "Small town girls" can be insulated from the madness of modern politics, but often they jump on the cock carousel and all the "popular" things as soon as you move her closer to a big city. No, it's not about finding a magical unicorn high up on a mountain where no climber has been able to reach, it's about finding women who are inherently different from the herd and have the strength of conviction to have different values than those peddled in universities and on the tv.

Looking over the women of /r/redpillwomen (I know I know, plebbit) you find the ideal women - family oriented, typically rejecting aspects of modern feminism and liberal identity politics, traditionally minded, and actively working to better herself to become a "better wife." It's truly extraordinary, seriously. Go lurk. But the problem is that particular sub is mostly a hub for already married women to seek self improvement and companionship from other women. Trying to enter that sub saying "Uhhh, anybody wanna date me?" will get you rightfully thrown out.

So how do we find those kind of women? And how do we find the 1% of those 1% who are okay being your beautiful butterball? I've seen too many posts of Anons who marry a sexy landwale and make a good wife out of her, but eventually her seeking self improvement leads to her wanting to lose weight, which strains the relationship tremendously. She has to be genuinely okay with being fat from the beginning, or she's a ticking timebomb waiting to get the confidence to start working out and "become thin and sexy again."

Do you stick to fatty dating sites and try to filter the vast majority of those women? If so, how? Opening a first date with questions like "What's your opinion on abortion?" and "What's your relationship with your father like?" seems like a terribly autistic thing to do, yet at the same time it's almost necessary if you don't want to waste time on women who eventually turn out to be your typical modern woman with "Muh career in the city until I turn 40" and "Muh liberated women's freedumb (to be a slut)" but x50 women in a row.

Or, do you hang out around conservative clubs and gun groups looking for a decent woman that clearly values family and the old way of doing things? If so, how do you bring up the fact that you like fat women and would like your future wife to stay fat and jiggly without immediately sounding like some kind of weirdo?

It's a sticky predicament. Thoughts?
>>7954

One of the tenets of conservatism is rejecting change, is it not? You're gonna need to compromise some of your ideological stances if you ever expect to find the mate you want. Conservatism is not and has never been en vogue with women. Much less the strain that wants to restrict their bodily autonomy.

(American) Society has been gradually tending towards increasing tolerance in many facets, from gender to sexuality to fatness. These all require the broader group to become more accepting of previously unacceptable norms. Fat women have been, and still are, one of the most visible outgroups in modern society. Rejecting that fact and that feminism has helped them in some small way achieve some degree of comfortability with their bodies will get you nowhere.

I'm one of the far-left types you refer to, and I have only interacted/chatted with a supersized conservative woman (Paige BBW) who was into being fat, one time ever. We had some good conversations but after it was clear we weren't going to see eye to eye we never talked politics after and lost contact shortly following that. This was in the late 00s. Take from that what you will.

Finally, consider not using terms like "soy-filled", "thots", "/pol/ack" and "numale". They're very obviously terms used by (or co-opted by) the alt-right and/or incel groups, and any woman who picks up on that is going to shut you down immediately.

My simple suggestion: change YOUR mind, open up to being/interacting with non-conservative women, or acknowledge that you'll likely be alone forever and won't be sexually fulfilled without lying about what you believe constantly.
>>7984
>Finally, consider not using terms like "soy-filled", "thots", "/pol/ack" and "numale". They're very obviously terms used by (or co-opted by) the alt-right and/or incel groups, and any woman who picks up on that is going to shut you down immediately.

You're right, we should just go back to using ,estrogen-filled, whores, and beta male because changing the words somehow solves the problem.

Eat a cinderblock.
>>7985 not sure if you're >>7954, but I didnt say changing your language would "solve the problem" (of being a conservative incel, I guess), just that it might make you less immediately unattractive to women.

Typically conservative response of "go die" to constructive suggestions, tho.
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>>7984

Wait, Paige as in Paige Bombshell is a conservative?

that makes my missed connection with her at a bash years ago sting even more

she could have been my immobile tradwife by now ;_;
>>7954
You wont because most women are left leaning by nature. The allure of goverment gibs ensures that, that goes double for heavier women because it make sure that her medical bills will be covered. Its kinda like how all women are feminists, even if they say they don't agree with it, they still hold the same values internally. Honestly your best bet would be getting with some fat chick from the country who doesn't have access to a bunch of horny men validating her on instagram. At least then she'll have a sense of modesty... maybe...
>>8010

>government 'gibs'
>medical bills will be covered

uhhhhhhhh not in America lol
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>>7986
>not sure if you're [other poster]
>What are ID's lmao
No, that is not me. Though I disagree with you with every fiber of my body, and I suspect this disagreement can only ever end up in a bloody civil war in the coming 2-3 decades, there is no reason to abandon civility.
>One of the tenets of conservatism is rejecting change, is it not?
This is one of my main criticisms with liberals. If you're not with them, they automatically assume you're in one of the camps against them, whether that's "Alt-Right" or "Conservative." It's like they absolutely need codified "good guys" vs "bad guys." I am not Conservative, since Conservatives fail to conserve anything (aside from tax breaks for multinational corporations) and the very premise of "opposing change" is flawed.
I wrote a paragraph here breaking down your argument and explaining the flaws I see in it further, but this isn't a discussion about personal politics. Like it or not, society is now divided between the highly coordinated liberals/left-wingers and the nebulous and ever changing menagerie of "not liberals" which include everything from facists to apolitical people. You will never change your views, and I will never change mine. That's just how society is today (whether you blame "capitalism" or "da J00s" the effect is the same). If you can't offer better advice than "come to our side" then perhaps you should do what several feminist speakers at a couple conferences on women's issues told all men in the audience (regardless of expertise or viewpoints) to do: "Please practice active listening."
Also, enough with the language policing (another criticism I have with Liberals). The "ebin Alt-Right" grew out of the increasing numbers of men alienated with the Liberal status quo, and they brought with them the cultural artifacts that sprung up around their meeting places on imageboards (which are some of the last online areas outside the ultra-Liberal Silicon Valley monopoly where you can speak free of censorship). Imageboard culture is integral to the "not liberal" side, no matter which of the ever shifting labels or loyalties you choose to represent yourself by. If it makes liberals mad, then that only helps further highlight their political position to those of us who are "not liberal."
Let's get back to discussing how our side can find "not liberal" women.

>>8010
>You wont because most women are left leaning by nature.
You might also phrase this as "most men are dumbed-down sports watching troglodytes who expect relationships to service them instead of requiring work" or "Most women are disloyal pleasure seekers that don't care about family."
Most, yes. But not all. May I refer you to an image of a Bell Curve? Judging by online and the numerous discussion threads I've seen, there are plenty of "not liberal" women who reject things like feminism because they value happiness over "muh freedumbs" and realize that they would be most happy with a family and husband that loves them rather than a career in a concrete jungle and cats for company.
As I said, look over /r/redpillwomen and you'll see that it IS POSSIBLE, just rare.
The question then becomes "how do we find these women before they get married and then show up online?"
>your best bet would be getting with some fat chick from the country who doesn't have access to a bunch of horny men validating her on instagram.
The point about filtering for social media use is especially salient, but many Anons I've spoken to have talked about how rural women are just as (sometimes more) degenerate as city women. And the many women and some men that talk about how they met their "redpilled" husband/wife met anywhere from the countryside to deep in the heart of the city. With our world ultra connected and with the ubiquity of the internet, location no longer matters. A low quality woman will immerse herself in social media whether she's on her smartphone out in the country or on her smartphone in the middle of the city. A high quality woman will not "follow the herd" regardless of where she is.

One thing that ought to be considered is the inherent adaptability of women. The typical Redpill Pickup Artist view is "Bruh women will just take on your political viewpoints women have like no brain lmao bruh!" This isn't far from the truth, but if there were a woman present you might put it more gently, such as "Women evolved in a hostile environment where it was advantageous to rapidly redefine their loyalties whenever another hostile tribe carried them off to be war brides. If a woman perceives greater stability coming from you and your beliefs (or conversely, greater instability coming from opposing beliefs), she will adapt herself towards you to maximize the integration with the new tribe (you) and increase the harmony in the new relationship."
A woman doesn't have to be full 1488 (or whatever your views are), I certainly wouldn't care if my wife was a fascist or a libertarian, as long as she doesn't count herself on the "liberal" side then no matter what madness in the world of politics comes, we won't be set against each other by the media. If she wants to have a lovely traditional family with her at the heart of the home and me as the protector and provider of the children, then I don't really care what economic system or uniform she prefers. A little chemistry and sex will make sure the flame of love burns long into the civil war/impending communist takeover.
>>8012
>tfw no Libertarian gf to ask you to violate her NAP
>tfw no Fascist gf to ask you to make her orgasms run on time
>tfw no Nazi gf to ask you to breed Der Ubermensch with her
>tfw no Conservative gf to ask you to come to bed and "read Bible verses" (winkwink)
>tfw no AnCap gf to ask you to defile a public road with her
>tfw no Traditionalist gf to ask you to plant some hwheat fields in her
>tfw
>>8012
Holy shit, is that you, John Wayne?
Is this me?
10/10 post, could not have said it better myself.
>>8012
>highly coordinated liberals/left-wingers

Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.

It's just not even worth reading the rest of the post when you've done something like this so early on.
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>>8022
>Holy shit, is that you, John Wayne?
"Young fella, if you're lookin' for trouble I'll accomodate ya."
>>8030
Tf do you think happens when illegals go to the emergency room and can't pay? We're paying for those procedures through our taxes anyway. May as well cover preventative medicine to cut down costs in the long run.
>>8035

FWOOMPH also seems to think that doctors and hospitals have the responsibility to verify a person's immigration status, when that's an explicitly enumerated federal power.

Another tragic and unsurprising misread of the constitution by a conservative, but hey, what else is new.
>>8037
Tell me where medical care is included in our Constitution. I'll wait. Think before you leave snarky, non-arguements based on emotion

>>8035
>if someone enters into the US in need of a quadruple bypass, the tax payer is obligated to subsidize not only every American's healthcare, but virtually every one else's on the planet who steps foot on American soil
>this is sustainable
Spare me
>>8042
Sounds like someone didn't read the Preamble to the Constitution back in 4th grade.

And you're reaching if you think people are coming into the country strictly for healthcare. What's it called when you make an earnest argument that only America has doctors? It's not quite jingoism but it's just as condescending to the rest of the world.
>>8044
Lurker here with no real political opinion, only posting because I'm actually curious what you're referring to here. (Though I do believe that "health reasons" is probably pretty far down the list of motives for most immigrants.)

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After going through each point of the preamble, "promote the general Welfare" is the only thing I could see as being interpreted as maybe including health care, since 'general welfare' is incredibly vague; but it's "promote", not "ensure" or something similar- the Bill of Rights doesn't "promote" free speech or the right to an attorney. And if the Founding Fathers meant it that way, they didn't really act on it aside from an act that seems more about stemming a yellow fever epidemic than ensuring healthcare in and of itself.
So yeah, I guess I can see how someone can make an argument, but it's hardly the kind of wording that would make it obvious that that's what it means, especially not to someone in elementary school. A better argument, really, would be that "Life" is included as one of the self-evident truths in the declaration of independence; although that suffers from the fact the declaration is not a legal document.
>>8058
I was more just demeaning the guy for being obtuse. Promote the General Welfare, along with the rest of the Preamble, can be seen as a mission statement for passing laws. It's sort of how Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is vague but generally covers what we're trying to accomplish.

Long story short, that snippet is my argument that the government can intervene as health insurance. It's promoting general welfare by opening access to health care.
Why are American politics so crazy compared to the rest of the West?

Half of Europe lost its shit when a bunch of migrants flooded over claiming to be refugees let alone the idea of amnesty or open borders.. Its also only you guys who tend not to have some form of universal healthcare and have pretty much no mandatory paid vacation.

Everytime I hear American progs claiming, "oh we're centrist compared to Europe" and its just a fucking lie since it's a case by case issue.
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>>8060

Duverger's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law). The first-past-the-post, winner-take-all election system structurally ensures that there will be only two major parties. And once that structure is in place, human group psychology takes over. People identify less with a particular set of policy issues than with Blue Team or Red Team, and the parties become defined by the preferences of their most passionate grassroots activists.

If American federal voting were a parliamentary or instant runoff system like in most other first world countries, our national politics would be a lot saner.

I'm a moderate Democrat who would like to vote for strong labor unions, environmental protection and a functioning national health system. In the American two-party system, this means that I ALSO have to vote for extreme identity politics around race and gender, whether I like it or not (I don't), and increasingly it also means de facto support for open borders.

On the other side, there are a lot of moderate Republicans who have concerns about taxes and government overreach that I can recognize as reasonable even if I disagree with them. They have to share their party with hardline religious fundamentalists, with imperialist neocons who never saw a Middle Eastern country they didn't want to conquer, and increasingly with activists who are using the public's reasonable opposition to illegal immigration as a stalking horse for actual white nationalism.

The exchange between >>8012 and >>8024 is actually a very good example of this dynamic. >>8012 is clearly talking about the cultural left, which has absolute dominance of academia, Silicon Valley, the permanent civil service, and the mainstream media except for Fox. >>8024 can't distinguish between the cultural left and the economic left, because he's on Blue Team and knows that Blue Team doesn't win every battle it fights. (Until Bernie came along the economic wing of the left had been flat on its back for fifty years.) Therefore he can't even imagine a context in which the statement by >>8012 could possibly be serious, so rather than make a good faith effort to understand the viewpoint expressed in his opponent's effortpost, he dismisses the whole thing with a stale Watchmen quote.

This is what having only two parties will do to you.
>>8062

>>8024 here, it's not that deep. I would have thought that using a, yes, stale Watchmen quote would show that? That bit of Watchmen just came to mind when I read that bit of the original post, and I thought it would be a funny remark to make.

I wonder if you would have liked the post that I was making then, where I did actually dive into what I perceived as the power imbalance between the American Left and Right, but I erased it all because I was both uncertain of my own level of information and because I didn't believe it would be met with good faith in turn. Would you like me to post my real feelings on the matter? It's way too late in the night for me to come up with all of it again in a coherent state, but if you or some other dummy wants to see me actually ramble on, I can make the post nice and pretty late afternoon tomorrow.

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