the stereotype that fat people are stupid holds some water, and it's the most frustrating thing in the world for me when i'm looking for a real relationship and not just a tindr date.

Nearly ever girl i meet that is in my preferred size range has been as dumb as a fucking stump. Conversations are often grueling attempts at me trying to find stuff out about them, and them continually disappointing me by being into just the dumbest fucking shit out there. First "girlfriend" i had if you could call it that was super into minion memes "ironically" or so she insisted, and would joke about watching hentai in the "haha i'm not like the other girls, i watch porn, but """ironically."""" Dates were frustrating attempts of me trying to move the conversation to something bearable and pushing her to eat, and more often then not i found myself just wanting to bring her back home and fuck her already. Unsurprisingly, didn't last long.

But it's not just her, if you look at model's social media feeds, they're straight up retarded, Layla, god bless her belly, effectively cemented herself in my mind as just a straight up brain damaged individual, and put a stop to me buying her vids ever, through her sc stories alone. There are some models i have to just straight up mute cos everything out of their mouth is just some of the dumbest fucking shit out there, and the biggest turn off in the world for me

>>7064
not seeing the problem with the third one tbh

>>7064
As much as I love women getting up to that range the fact of the matter is that women would have to be a bit...abnormal...to be very very VERY generous.

Same goes for the curvy/thicc thots but then again most women are absolutely bonkers one way or another.

Hot/Crazy Matrix y'know. With fat women its out of the ballpark one way or another.

>>7065
Speaking of brain damage, fat, & women obesity over time can actually numb or destroy certain brain cells.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161031-why-obesity-damages-your-mind-as-well-as-your-body (Hate BBC but when they're right they're right)

I mean don't get mad at me. This whole fetish is based around morbid obesity and all of its facets and ignoring health and common sense.

Lets be frank.

>>7072

"When they're right, they're right" But are they? Where's the link to the scientific study they pulled this from? How do you expect an accurate study from sample sizes hardly larger than 100 people; not to mention they make no effort to state if these people all came from the same place or not. Or if they had people in this sample playing the control. Or did they not have one? And how could they possibly make this study without mentioning if anyone in the pool sample had a mental illness that caused the symptoms they saw? What environments and backgrounds did these people come from? Were they all given the same education and raised with the same care? Were all these people at the same level of education? What exactly about obesity in the body did they link to memory other than some obese people in their study didn't have good memories?

I already know they never bothered to answer these questions because they threw in a Boston University study that has been discredited as having anything to do with linking obesity to cognitive loss. Their findings ACTUALLY found that out of all 94 of their subjects, none of their cognitive abilities changed in the 5 years and that none of the more obese subjects were more likely to develop Alzheimers.

There are a lot of factors that go into scientific research and this article is lazy. And you linking to this article is lazy.

Also, that entire article was about linking memory loss to obesity. Which it did not prove.

There's only two scientific articles I could find on google scholar on this subject and one was based around ONE 8 year old girl with hyperactivity and cognitive function problems, which I can't take much stock in, because, again, there was no mention on if she suffered from mental illness that caused the same symptoms, no mention of if her parents were neglectful, no mention on why her hyperactivity and cognitive functions were being based on obesity.

And the second was an obese rat with type two diabetes, which yes, memory loss and brain fog ARE symptoms of. But not all obese people have type 2 diabetes by far. So again, obesity is not the link.

And certainly nothing is actually found to "numb and destroy brain cells"

This is the last of my critical thinking as I'm too dummy thicc to think anymore. Use it well, anon

>>7073
it's weird that even FAs are quick to link obesity to every possible negative health issue under the sun. fat shaming memery has ruined so much honest discussion about this kind of thing, even if they do have some points. i find that it creates so much sad self-flagellation in communities like this and it's getting tiresome

>>7064
>Third girl was scarily stupid, like that type where you wonder how they have survived this far. For example she decided to lose weight, but she thought Red Bull was a healthy drink because it was an energy drink, and would drink several cans a day when she was on a diet. And the most complicated food she could make was pasta.... and that's far from the dumbest things she has done.
Honestly, that degree of cooking prowess isn't too far-fetched for a girl her age. Can't really fault her for that, although the energy drink thing is pretty dumb, like somehow beyond diet soda-tier dumb. Honestly, it may be worth branching out to older women. Like, 35+ years old older women, you mostly get past the crazy by then.

Off the top of my head,

>Friend of a friend in college, basically looked like a Tumblr caricature
>Spend some time in the library talking to her a few times, but didn't really go anywhere past there
>Looking through a amateur BBW porn tumblr
>Find a familiar-looking pic
>Do a double-take
>Yep, it's her, stark naked, the picture links directly to her Tumblr
>Filled with the most stereotypical Tumblr garbage imaginable
I wasn't really as much surprised as I was disappointed. While she didn't have what I consider to be the "ideal" BBW body, I still found her fairly attractive from a strictly physical standpoint.

>Talk to a girl on a fairly generic dating/social networking-type site
>Conversing with her is like trying to pull teeth, is one of those people that only messages in one and two-word messages
>Still has interest in meeting up with me and actually goes through with it, surprisingly enough
>We start cuddling with each other, she tries to advance things with me, tries to run a hand down my pants only to get rejected by me
>Spend a bit more time with each other, her clearly wanting more than I did
>We keep in contact, she repeatedly expresses intent to fuck me
>Is one of those people that continuously gets into relationships, says she's found the love of her life, only to break up a few weeks later, than rinse and repeat in another few weeks
>On top of this, couldn't hold a job for more than a few weeks due to "stress"
>Eventually this leads to her getting pregnant, with the father leaving her weeks into the pregnancy (for any /pol/ack types that may be lurking, the father was also white)
>Cut off all contact a few months after she had the kid, even though we hadn't really been talking since before the pregnancy
Honestly, I feel for the kid for getting thrown into what will almost certainly be a shitshow. Speaking of,

>Talk to a girl from the same site
>A few years older than me, which isn't an issue
>Still lives with her family, which, again, isn't a big issue by itself, aside from awkwardness related to interactions between myself and them
>She had a kid, which said family members were really primarily taking care of, she was basically out of the picture despite living in the same household. The father was completely out of the picture. Apparently the pregnancy was a freak accident, since it was supposed to be impossible for her to have kids due to medical complications
>Also had a desire for my dick
>Was "trying" to lose weight, but still chugged down at least one or two sodas a day, and her room at any given point was littered with junk food
>Regularly turned down her sexual advances, although we did remain friends for a good while
>Was apparently impossible for her to have a second kid for similar reasons to earlier
>But oops, a guy managed to knock her up a second time before getting out of there before the kid was born
>Guess what, she isn't taking care of kid #2 either, that's the family's responsibility too
>On top of that, I'm pretty sure no one in her family actually worked, and they just collected welfare and splurged on dining out multiple times a week
>Constantly pissed and moaned to me about drama, and referred to people that I didn't know in any capacity by name as if I'd known them for years
>A year or two after communication ceased between us, I found her on another site
>Kept my head down, still isn't aware that I'm on said site
Again, bullet dodged. Apparently it's basically a requirement to be a headcase to be attracted to me.

>Start talking to a girl on a different site
>Nothing in her profile really raised any immediate red flags
>Conversing, things start to get flirtatious
>Somewhere in the conversation dogs get brought up
>She admits that she had a bestiality fetish
>Try to brush it off, quietly praying that she stops talking to me
>Prayers were answered, as she only sent a few more messages back and forth with me before stopping the messages entirely.
Thankfully we didn't talk for long enough for her to really get emotionally attached to me. I think she may take the cake on sheer crazy factor.

I don't even touch girls that are into the whole DD/LG thing, since they're, without exception, crazy, from my own observation.

>>7064
There's a lot crazy in females no matter their size. Big girls can be a lot worse if their ego takes a hit.

That pic you posted kind of looks like a fat Kaley Cuoco. I would so wear her holes out.

>>7078
>There's a lot crazy in females no matter their size. Big girls can be a lot worse if their ego takes a hit.

Yeah. I think in the case of big girls, since society is generally more negative towards them because of their size, their psyche becomes damaged in the long-term. It feels like body positivity is commonly used as a mask by several to hide deep-seeded issues. I think this is why the ones that congregate to "safe spaces" tend to be less stable: the cognitive dissonance between those places and society as a whole cause more problems than they solve. But that's just my completely unfounded opinion.

>>7085

My armchair psychological theory is that these kinds of mental issues in fat women are amplified by the cognitive dissonance between their online and IRL lives. A skinny woman who is conventionally attractive will encounter lots of creeps, harassers and players in her IRL everyday life... but, on the other hand, she'll also have a "pussy pass" advantage in a lot of social situations, with the power over men that comes from being an attractive woman. (Not passing a value judgement, just saying that this is the way the real world mating game works.) And for women like this, their life on Facebook/Instagram/whatever is the same way.

Whereas for a fat girl, the amount of attention she can get from men online is totally disconnected from the day to day reality of being ignored and mistreated in her IRL life. There's a radical difference between the number of thirsty guys worldwide who will kiss her ass on the Internet no matter how bitchy of an attitude she displays, versus the number of guys in her immediate area (or willing to move) who are serious about forming a stable real world relationship. "I can pull my phone out at any time and get hundreds of comments from guys telling me I'm a goddess, so why am I still so lonely and unhappy?" This emotional whiplash leads to the unfortunate combination of aggressive entitlement and self-pitying brittleness that characterizes so many Extremely Online fat chicks.

>>7087
Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

On-topic, thought of another one:
>Start talking to girl
>Seems nice enough
>Chats start to get into flirtatious territory
>Can't do shit because of distance, but there seems to be a mutual interest should conditions be favorable for a meetup
>Time goes by
>Conversation starts to wane, and she seems to lose interest
>Gets a boyfriend a few weeks after we stop talking completely, I'm genuinely happy for her and hope that things work out
>Except they don't, and they break up a few weeks later
>Decides to remove the naughty pics she had up publicly, because she didn't want to be "viewed like that", which is perfectly fine
>Has a complete breakdown about a week or two later, complaining about people using her, removing her last pics, and probably her profile entirely

She's one of those reasons that I spend at least a good few months talking to someone before even pondering a relationship. Plenty of time to see if they're unstable.

>>7078
>>7085

I kinda agree. I'm still friends with this one gal- friend of a friend, never attracted to her- that was your typical tumblrista but actually had congential joint problems that made movement difficult. I remember revealing some of my own problems (mostly scarring) but that I am determined to push past it and not have my injury be -me- and she... didn't get it? Or didn't understand that you can still do something even if there are days when it takes a good hour to get out of bed?

I feel like a lot of these girls miss out on life and the type of personality you build and receive when you really experience it, both through circumstances of whom their born to but also of their own volition. But I suppose if everyone had that level of introspection, well...

>>7074
Get the fuck out of here with that SJWism.

Reality isn't a pretty thing amigo and lets be honest the vast majority of models here are heading for an early grave.

>>7085
further proof that safe-spaces are nothing but the mentally ill and retarded forcing society to cater to them.

gods hairy ball-sack nothing has killed my fetish for thicker/fatter women more than the actual women themselves.

>>7073
https://gizmodo.com/obese-mothers-give-birth-to-less-intelligent-children-5909157

Here's a far more indepth study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3813310/

The fact you got so butthurt that you've had to write a whole soliloquy in response should make you pause and think.

>>7168
>>7169
Yeah. I've stopped jacking off to models or at least try knowing that they're vain retards who know they'll still get money off of being gluttonous (which I morally can't stand and am a hypocrite for) and most fat people I've met are retarded the fatter they are. I didn't ask for this fetish.

>>7167
>>7194
i rest my case

>>7195
So?

>>7196
more self-flagellation from FAs. like i said, it's tiresome. if that other guy's so strong-willed and so able to face ~reality~ than he wouldn't be here. it's pathetic honestly

>>7197
1. He has a degradation fetish
2. He dislikes his fetish too or at least doesn't pay for it

>>7198
1. i think you're putting words in his mouth
2. it's a desperate, beta attitude to try to get everyone else to hate their fetish just because he does

>>7199
Nah, and you can enjoy it if you like but you can't ignore the obvious health consequences regardless if that matters to you or not.

>>7200
i'm not ignoring anything. i'm just not a fan of seeing people on a fetish forum so readily putting down the fetish they and everyone else are a part of for what overall seem to be stupid, cliquey, political purposes

>>7064

all being said "writen" here.
Yes some girls are crazy
Yes fat girls are in crazy box more often
Yes being fat make you slow lazy more simple and that make you more fat ... brain is "muscle"
in end all is in book

Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things.
or

Philippians 3:19 there is several version, but difference are just in wordplay

Yes we all re siner and we end in hell, but question is ... what is hell.

Thta being said ... well i posted in few times already but, my current fuck freind is total bat shit crazy big child cry baby and she is well ... weird. But its OK, I helping her to dres, with her hygiene "stuff". She is such simple creature, if she got fully belly and she is fucked she is happy. But when you look whats going on with all hyper-feminist and activist chick ... god bless her. Seriously just look ate that Heather Heyer chick, if she was at some Fa-lovers dick that day well she cudl may live ... until another hear atack.

Sorry for kinda derailing this

>>7220
All women are crazy, they're honestly just overgrown children


Also being fat doesn't make you dumb its just that stupid people are more likely to be fat due to lack of restraint and poor pattern recognition, all though it does cause one to become more lethargic so it feeds into their stupid.

>>7201
Its just that some guys can make the distinction between their little heads and big heads. If I look at it logically or when im not horny fat is pretty disgusting, and I hate the whole HAES and pro-fat stuff that is going own in society as all it helps to do is weaken a nation and lower physical standards, all while artificially increasing a woman's value. But if I just use my dick then I think fat as something warm and squishy to play around with. Depending on my state of mind I can make a distinction between what I want, and what is generally acceptable.

>>7238
Of coarse they are not dumb ( not all of em ) just look at tha whole my 600lbs sick show. Some of thous fatties are actually smart manipulative asholes. And yet they even avoid punishment of being fattened to death ... for time :)

But they are extreme case, we cant make our standards by extreme cases. Some folks actually haw 3. arms, so we gonna make averting for thous "3.handers" ... NO. Yet whole "equality" terror army work exactly like that.

My points is ( beside being constantly pissed of by lefties ) .. the being with bat shit fat girls is NOT worst thing in world.

>>7238
Well YES exactly, I love fat blubery chunky sagy lard laden ladies BUT what Gilet doing right now FUCK is OVER the edge. And look at NAAFA they become some kind of squealing obese SJW armada. And that Brittney Cooper chick, she is so fat so "pretty" but when she opend his mouth ... suddenly all I see is just overfed over pampered bloated cancer

>>7238
any sexual thing can be seen as disgusting if you think about it logically. tits are really just fleshy bags of fat that contain alien-looking ducts etc. nothing inherently sexy about that. all sexuality relies on some aspect of idealized fantasy, it's no different with fat admiration. you personally finding it gross (not to mention the whiny /pol/ fearmongering) isn't very convincing to me

it's weird to associate fatness with ~weak nations~ when the whole evolutionary reason it is fetishized to begin with is because it represents security and excess. not sure how the two are linked to societies in decline. just sounds like larping

strong nations are determined by resources and technology, not by all the men and women having six packs lol

>>7241
> the being with bat shit fat girls is NOT worst thing in world.

Well its definitely not, their mental instability make them easier to coerce into gaining weight, however I prefer peace and sanity over my fetishes so I'll just resign my self ton jerking to fat chicks on my computer screen.

>>7242
I agree completely, another added detriment is that guys with actual fat fetishes have to put in much more work, back then (roughly 15+ years ago), a fat chick would have to be more humbled as her options were far more limited due to their low SMV, but now with the advent of social media, body acceptance(only for women of course), literally thousands of thirsty men will validate her. Its only going to get more ridiculous, the only things that'll be left for the average men are the legitimately ugly fat women.


>>7244
There's one caveat to your logic, having breasts is fundamental to all women, being 60+ lbs overweight isn't one. Having breasts doesn't inherently shorten or potential shortens ones life, being grossly obese does. Like I said fantasy is fine(thinking with your small dick), but in objective reality all excessive fat does is shortens ones life. Im sure there are communities that get their kicks of off anorexic chicks, that doesn't make it any less detrimental, even if its their fantasy.

>>7247
>but now with the advent of social media, body acceptance(only for women of course), literally thousands of thirsty men will validate her
this is kind of tangential but i've noticed that fat acceptance communities and fat admiration communities are afaik kinda separate. i think fat girls super into the acceptance things wouldn't like being "objectified" by communities like this. most of the enablers in acceptance communities seem to just be other fat girls too
>having breasts is fundamental to all women
this isn't about women themselves, it's about how their features are sexualized. and big breasts can absolutely be detrimental to a women through back pain etc. doesn't make most men who want some big tiddies on their dick crazy, detrimental fetishists who are ruining their nation QQ

>>7248
> big breasts can absolutely be detrimental to a women through back pain etc.

Yes but not ALL women have big breasts, not to mention this can be easily mitigated with back strengthening exercises. Being grossly obese is linked to a ton of actual diseases in addition to shortening ones life, and reducing ones QOL, not even mention the complications that occur during birth. I can't really find the two comparable. I mean I understand that your trying to rationalize our fetish, but there really isn't one, it makes our dicks hard, but at the end of the day it isn't really something that should be accepted by main stream society, it makes no logical sense to do so. and for clarification I mean grossly obese... Not just a little chubby which is far within the range of the median...

>>7249
again, this isn't about women themselves this is about how they're naturally sexualized. and big breasts are VERY often a part of hetero male sexuality. my point is that it doesn't make sexualizing them some kind of degeneracy, and that what's healthy and what's sexual are almost never correlated, fat chicks or no. i'm obviously not trying to say being fat is healthy. it's annoying you have to keep falling back on that to argue. also it's weird you make a concession with slightly chubby women when your first example there was a girl who's 60 pounds overweight which really ain't much, especially not by fetish standards

oh boy another misogynistic bitter foreveralone thread.

>>7194
I just got it because of my high school best friends slightly older sister with a straight up Dawn P, Lexxi Luxe bod.

She would intentionally play with and jigglle her breasts and fondle her cleavage 1/2 the time we were in the same room.

Ironically only reason I didn't go with her was because she proved the maxim about "best to close your mouth if people think you are retarded than open it up and prove it right"

Last I heard she's one of those "muh open borders and migrants" dumbasses and married some somali with a cocaine problem.

Dodged a bullet but lord help me if I find another woman with her body type thats single.

>>7247
> Its only going to get more ridiculous, the only things that'll be left for the average men are the legitimately ugly fat women.

This pretty much. Its gotten to the point where people are dating and fucking in general across the board a hell of a lot less.

Granted this wasn't a thing until "being a delusional spoiled cunt" became a political movement. (This is verifiable with empirical data)

I've pretty much dropped out of dating entirely at least for the time being since most of them behaved like harpies or neurotics in once sense or the other.

Its gotten to the point where I've seen women who look like porky pig in drag (ugly fat not pretty fat) having a sense of entitlement to men and will gladly bitch and whine in public on whatever dates they go on.

Then you get shit like this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818874/Jemma-Beale-jailed-10-years.html

>>7513
>dating and fucking less
No, less *men* are dating and fucking because women are fine sharing the same couple of guys, riding the cock carousel while working on their "careers" aka being a long term students, racking up insane debt until they hit "The Wall" in their 30's, in which they "settle down" for some hapless bastard stupid enough to gamble half of his shit on worse odds than 50/50 and put a ring on her and a baby in her, if she isn't already barren by then. If all else fails, they start an animal and wine bottle collection, call them her "fur babies", and lead a pitiful existence until death.

>Being a spoiled delusional cunt became a social movement
Women are only as good as the men around them and will follow the example set forth by them. You can call that white knighting (or misogynistic patriarchy, depending on your perspective) if you want, but you know it is the truth that men are in this situation because they allowed it to happen. If you allow women to engage in hypergamy because it results in getting one's dick wet, one shouldn't be surprised when they're up to their neck in whores and unfit mothers because the fathers are scumfucks.

>I've pretty much dropped out of dating entirely
I can't say I blame you, pickings are incredibly slim out there for any man looking for quality wife material and it shows in their behavior, attitudes, and actions. However, if I were a woman, I could potentially see their reasoning. An entire generation of people I struggle to call "men", made up of PUAs, players, dead beat dads and doughy, unkempt men that give more a fuck about reaching the next level in a video game than raising a family, or worst of all, male feminist sympathizers. Though, its not like women really care to have families nowadays and are far more career-centric to bother. Maybe it's just a reflection of the profit-driven trash society we live in now.

>>7526
yeh ... but sadly this is how things work.
Our teacher at ( i dont know how to proper translate and I em too lazy to google it ) clase about synch. and asynch electromotive ( you know delta and star ) so he was was preaty smart old man loot of life experiences, traveled a world and was stilt bright. So this man told us something like this: All in human society is like spiral but even when spirál gouging actually up her coils haw down going parts before the start to go up again. So right now world is at tha point I think. Sooner or later we must start to go up I hope. Sorry for my Spanglish, I em self teacher, there was only one option in mi youth days and tha was our language or Rusian. ( all I know is from cartoon network and Fallout 1 and rest Fallout frenchais)

and yes some of us mens created thous arogant princes cunts

but in exactly same maner womens kiled old time 80. gentleman's and nice guys and created bad kind of alpha males and wifebeters

so to all girls .... GOOD WORK BITCH

P.S.
1 - sorry for text-wall
2 - Yes i know my ... idea patterns are for some folks "hard" to follow, go ahead mock me :) as a municipal bluecollar ... trust me I getting much harsher shit from mi costumers on daily basses, wave of ... how to call it ... dumbness kinda hit even our corner of Earth and yes I feal like if its much worse amoungst women's and young folks and all kind of liberals democrats and hypocritical activist and feminist etc etc

3 sorry for second text-wall

>>7513

sorry its me again

but

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818874/Jemma-Beale-jailed-10-years.html

What A Fuck
WHAT A FUCK
ʞɔnɟ ɐ ʇɐɥʍ
🆆🅷🅰🆃 🅰 🅵🆄🅲🅺

1 - is Policie this DUMB just because she is "women"

2 - Basic Instinct sydrome ?

3 - that short haircut becoming warning sign lately I think

well ... be safe folks

>>7530

to no.2.

yup its bad, if there is somethig han ca "beat" fat girl is fat tomboy girl ... I wudl setl even with fat ugly tomboy ( normal ugly not Swenton sister monstr lvl ugly ). But sadly going for dyed hairs short hairs tatooed girls .. that is not brawe ot crazy that plain and simple stupid

>>7526
>Women are only as good as the men around them and will follow the example set forth by them.

This. Our "society" has created a bunch of pasty or douchey dicks with nothing to live for and so they idolize or fuck any pussy that comes their way.

>An entire generation of people I struggle to call "men", made up of PUAs, players, dead beat dads and doughy, unkempt men that give more a fuck about reaching the next level in a video game than raising a family, or worst of all, male feminist sympathizers. Though, its not like women really care to have families nowadays and are far more career-centric to bother. Maybe it's just a reflection of the profit-driven trash society we live in now.

100% If we weren't on a porn board but at a bar I'd buy you a round or a short or two for preaching this gospel.

The good news is that this cannot last forever and the whole system will slowly implode on itself in a generation or two resulting in a culling one way or another.

Seriously Jerking off is just the easiest thing to do at this point and (non-fetish wise) I have standards and don't let my dick do the thinking.


>>7555
>>7527

Seriously man just google translate and paste your lack of syntax or grammar is giving me an apoplectic migraine.

>Depending on my state of mind I can make a distinction between what I want, and what is generally acceptable.

I really really REALLY wish more people were this self-aware even on sites like this. The lack of restraint in literally EVERYTHING nowadays just confirms my theory that Porn and shit like this was just the floodgate to all the crazy shit going on nowadays.

>>7526
>aka being a long term students, racking up insane debt until they hit "The Wall" in their 30's, in which they "settle down" for some hapless bastard stupid enough to gamble half of his shit on worse odds than 50/50 and put a ring on her and a baby in her, if she isn't already barren by then. If all else fails, they start an animal and wine bottle collection, call them her "fur babies", and lead a pitiful existence until death.

Well that explains the skyrocketing suicide rates among women over the past decade and the increase in the amount in child neglect and spousal murder.

We're all living in a manufactured "Mice Utopia" at this point so might as well enjoy the long fast ride down to hell while we can.

We're living in a mice utopia only if you're an idiot

>>7557
>>7558
I appreciate the sentiments. Cheers, man.
However, I will say this about Calhoun's experiements and that is that while I do see parallels between those experiments and what is occuring in society, I dont think that were are under the same parameters. Things haven't gotten that crowded yet, though you will find examples of the mid to late stages abnormal behavior in high population centers where conditions are somewhat similar. Not to mention, the rat population was homogeneous, where as what we are experiencing is people of of vastly differing cultures and racial make ups being placed in the same environment and people expecting things to work themselves out peacefully. The truth of the matter is that peace was never an option nor the intent, the cultural and racial divides are too wide to bridge the gap of peaceful coexistence while in close proximity and things like the immigration crisis occuring in the US and Europe is being artificially manufactured by industrialists, technocrats, and bankers.

>>7563
Come on now, no need to be a dick. You have to at least explain *why* you disagree.

>>7565
Well when you factor things in like dropping birthrates and a few other parameters I think its a bit more of a "controlled demolition" that happens to have eerily similarities to Calhoun.

Then again read Calhoun's work and Ted K's little book about Tech and its effects on society coupled with Spengler's Decline of the West and it creates on Sobering fucking picture.

>>7563
Really thats the best response you can come up with? Also you seem to neglect the fact that the vast majority of people fall into the "Go away I'm batin' crowd" ala Idiocracy which ironically enough you've proven my point on the matter.

Taking things like Idiocracy seriously as a political viewpoint is sort of embarrassing. Sure it was fine political satire in 2006 but it's laughable to think it says much about actual politics in 2019.

Using Idiocracy or The Mice Utopia as your example of "societal decay" is a stereotype and implies that you don't have any kind of meaningful political theory or data behind your pessimistic clown world assessment of things

Spengler is a little better but he was an actual nazi, like he helped found the damn national socialists

IMO something like 'societal collapse' is possible especially as things become more complicated and resources grow more scarce.
And the Mice Utopia is interesting but I think it's really silly to infer things about human civilization from it. Or use it justify your case about not liking modern society

I have my own problems with modern civilization. But I think it's real silly to cling to national and traditional resentments as an answer. A lot of chan pessimism about politics means giving up power, it means placing it in the hands of some benevolent tyrant like Moot or Putin

Worshipping Putin, Stalin, or Mussolini is not where I want to end up. I prefer not to worship anybody and instead claim power for myself and my civic community. Worshipping Putin is not what I think of as masculinity either

Gender is changing so much in the last few years, being resentful is just the laziest answer
We can do better than just copying the most basic of lobster or mice hierarchies . Humans have more capacity than that. Let’s at least aim for an intelligent and virtuous pessimism instead of nazi nihilism

>>7572
> 'societal collapse' is possible
society has never collapsed, like ever, in history, sure civilization have fallen, but society across the board, no. And pretty unlikely to happen, society isn't this sacred concept that requires a group of people to do particular activities in order to retain it, it's literally a group of people, that aren't killing each other, it's pretty instinctual for us to develop community despite any material condition.

And declining resources are a fucking meme, population will stop growing at around the 11 billion mark which the Earth can handle np, almost everything that we really need is highly sustainable, we may have to go vegetarian tho, protip:go vegetarian already, you doing more for the Earth by not eating meat for a year, then by not driving for a decade The only real issues i see is lithium shortage, but all estimates point to that not being an issue for another 100 years or so.

>I have my own problems with modern civilization. But I think it's real silly to cling to national and traditional resentments as an answer. A lot of chan pessimism about politics means giving up power, it means placing it in the hands of some benevolent tyrant like Moot or Putin

Perhaps, i have my own reasons for wanting democracy to die, but in my experience most pessimism on boards like /pol/ and /leftypol/ come in the form of total nihilism in politics, which has it's own issues as well as a conclusion.

>Worshipping Putin, Stalin, or Mussolini is not where I want to end up. I prefer not to worship anybody and instead claim power for myself and my civic community. Worshipping Putin is not what I think of as masculinity either

idolizing grand leaders like them is fucking retarded, but ultimately a better system them democracy, I have no clue how to run a country well, nor do i desire to do so as a consequence, but i don't trust my neighbors either, nor most people for that matter, i'd rather be ruled by a bureaucracy of highly competent civil servants/leaders who live in absolute wealth, then have a group of fucking retards elect someone as fucking retarded as Trump just cos he trigs the libs. End of the day, you look at the success of dictatorships, and you see so long as they are based on merit rather then some divine right bs, they tend to work out well for people.

>>7570
>>7572
>people of lesser IQs outbreeding those with higher IQs due to the the disregard of economic and logistics factors by the the lower IQ people isn't possible
>Spengler and Nietzsche were Nazis
>Gender isn't new age bullshit concocted by pyschcologists and various other social engineers
>Nazism is nihilistic
>Civics can be upheld by anyone, regardless of IQ and their ability to understand them
>human beings are above animals

Thats a whole lot of implying, try again

>>7573
>I dont see a problem if some of the largest societies recorded in human history collapse
>we live on a planet of infinite resources, don't worry about over population. Here, Africa, have some more aid so you can raise your 14 children that will eventually be shipped elsewhere
>Hilary or Bernie would have been much better leaders than Trump and totally not the other side of the same coin
>bureaucracy is great and always efficient and well executed

I can say the same for you as well. My only caveat is that while I do agree that humans have grown a bit too accustomed to consuming too much meat and I do see the benefits of vegetarianism, I also see this as a ploy by the upper class to get people used to the idea of eating bugs while they enjoy a steak.

>>7574
>I don't see a problem if some of the largest societies recorded in human history collapse

I don't, it's Hegelian dialectics in motion, a society would collapse if it meets it's antithesis, a produce a synthesis of both of them, this has been a law throughout history, and it's why there's no civilization that has lasted the length of human history.

>we live on a planet of infinite resources, don't worry about over population. Here, Africa, have some more aid so you can raise your 14 children that will eventually be shipped elsewhere.

non-renewable resources are long dead, and only retained by those in power who benefit off scarcity, it's why China's invested billions into solar panels, they don't give two shits about western notion of environmental conservatism, but producing their own infinite power, is one less thing they need to rely on someone else for. End of the day, based on the technology we have now, the only thing that requires some concern is lithium, but idk the future, we could find a renewable alternative battery metal.

And i got no clue why people are against foreign aid, it's literally a free pass with liberals to conduct imperialism, there's a reason beyond that famous Chinese hospitality that China throws billions and billions into Africa. Even beyond a purely selfish view like that, ecologically, the better developed a nation, the less children they have, this has been a historical truth across the board, regardless of culture, race, ethnicity, whatever.

And overpopulation is a meme
https://youtu.be/FACK2knC08E

>Hilary or Bernie would have been much better leaders than Trump and totally not the other side of the same coin
>implying i supported either of them

my point is, anyone that convinced themselves that Trump was this highly intelligent, charismatic, powerful, and dignified leader, was a bigger retard then he is.

>bureaucracy is great and always efficient and well executed
>implying i said anything like this
bureaucracy ain't perfect, but i can't help but look at the long term success of objectives like Project 985, or the Chinese Lunar exploration Project, or even something like Singapore's housing development project that has given a country with little to no cultural/racial/ethnic hegemony the highest homeowner rate in the world, while lacking the crime and grime that are often associated with similar projects in the west. Like, none of these projects would have worked in a country that changes government ever few years, cos dumb fuck x got mad about some inane social issue one election, and dumb fuck y got mad about another issue the next election. I cannot help but look at the success of these countries, and marvel at the long term efficiency that we could only dream of in a democracy, even comparing India and China, two nations that have a similar history of being protectorate states of western powers, and not gaining some sense of stability and independence until post ww2. And seeing how much further China has gone with an authoritarian bureaucratic state, as opposed to India's democratic route which has landed it as the world laughing stock for poo in the loo jokes.

>>7582
>it's why there's no civilization that has lasted the length of human history

This may be true, however, what people of Europe, the United States, and pretty much anywhere caucasian people reside is being artificially flooded by the powers that be with this antithesis. They are actively working towards replacing the currently population with another that is almost the complete opposite in every way. Why would they do this?

>>7582
>China has billions invested in solar panels
>China ever building anything worth a fuck
Im not saying they are incompetent, but whenever China builds literally anything, Im automatically suspect that it's piece of shit, a half assed execution of stolen designs, or engineered by an outside source and I'm not someone who is die hard enough to say that everything I own is American made. However, I've bought enough Chinese goods in my life, been in contact with someone who has done quite a bit of industrial dealings with them, bfand have even been to their country, and I can firmly say that the quality is not there, in the quality of goods, manufacturing, infrastructure, or the innovations and creativity of its people. My point being, you can throw all the money you want at something and it still be a pile of shitty money.

In regards to aid to foreign countries, I'm always one to try to help out, but some of the countries we send aid to either do not need it or in the case of Africa, is beyond anything that money can take care of. Also in regards to Africa, if you haven't already seen it, watch "Empire of Dust". It gives you a great insight into what problems face Africa, following around a Chinese contractor, and it really shows that there is nothing that all the money in the world could do to fix it. The Chinese will attempt to impose imperialism on them just as the Europeans did and we see how that turned out. The thing with the Chinese is, as you stated, they are not so much concerned with finer details and are perfectly fine using flamethrowers and white phosphorus to get the job done.

>over population meme
I dont have an hour to spare, but maybe sometime

>polticians
I think we don't actually have a choice in the matter to begin with and the choice is left up to a small few with vested interest. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if the meme "Its Her Turn!" doesn't mean *exactly* what it says. "Its her *TURN*", like the whole thing was preordained and at a point, the powers that be said "We would rather use this puppet than you because it works better in our favor to do so, sorry." The one thing I would disagree with you about is that while Trump is many negative things, he *is* charismatic. Tens of thousands of people dont just show up to rallies all across the country to not see someone that doesn't possess innate charismatic aptitude and I dont think, whether you believe my theory on a small group or by actual votes, he would have been selected if he didnt possess that.

>beauraceacy
I honestly think I have to try this because you literally cannot stop shilling about the wonders of China

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

I’m just not swayed that much by pessimistic biological reductionism. I do agree that we can learn a lot from biology and looking at nature though.


Parrot colonies or ant colonies or crow murders can tell us a lot about different social possibilities. There’s definitely an ideological lens or whatever that anybody is going to bring to evolutionary biology

>>7584
the thing is we are at the point in history where because of modern technology enabling people to act like retards with next to 0 consequences, we are actually going against basic natural laws and biology.

See: castration and hormonal mutilation of children by vapid or conniving parents with mental illnesses or agendas and it being glorified en mass as a perfect example.

Not only that but I'm partially grateful that western birthrates are near non-existent. If anything its going to weed out the retards and fairweathers.

Also see pic for a blunter explanation

>>7574
Well they are coming out with factory grown non-meat mystery "meat". Which is obviously just a ploy for the plebs and ideological retards while those pulling levers enjoy actual natural benefits.

Ever want to see whats bullshit and whats not: see what the powerful and wealthy actually do vs what people are told to do

>>7586
>we are actually going against basic natural laws and biology.
like what? "Natural laws" seem like an oxymoron, because we devise laws because society has made a value judgement.
>See: castration and hormonal mutilation of children by vapid or conniving parents with mental illnesses or agendas and it being glorified en mass as a perfect example.
Notice this poster's use of incredibly loaded language? If he were to frame the transgender debate in a more objective manner, he would lose any sort of house edge and he would convince less people. People on the alt-right appeal to disgust a lot.

Anyway, I'm going to ignore the fact that
gender dysphoric children are pretty rarely perscribed hormone/hormone blockers and sex reassignment surgery for kids is pretty much non-existent (see "the Dutch protocol"). Lets acknowlegge this guy's argument, which is that this is in some way a violation of "natural law". I don't know what this natural law, but i can acknowledge that prescribing someone hormone blockers synthesised in a lab probably isn't natural. But is it morally wrong?

HRT is prescribed in the event where someone has a condition called gender dysphoria, or gender in-congruence as it is referred to now. He calls this condition a "mental illness", and though he's not strictly wrong, it is definitely used as a pejorative in this sense, almost like he's trying to invalidate the condition. He's saying that its being "glorified", and he's treating this as a truism that doesn't even need an example. I can acknowledge that the media has been attempting to "humanise" and represent trans people more and more, but I wouldn't call this "glorifying". I wouldn't even call this negative, like, movies such as "A Beautiful Mind" depicts the story of a guy with paranoid schizophrenia, a mental illness. Does this poster have an issue with this humanisation of people with schizophrenia?

Now, back to the morality of prescribing unnatural hormones and surgery. We do this because it alleviates the condition of gender dysphoria, and allows for the transgender person to more easily integrate into society and live as their preferred gender. This is "unnatural" but trans people that have transitioned have better mental health outcomes. We apply similar principles to schizophrenic people; we prescribe anti-psychotic medication because they will likely pose less of a threat to themselves and society. My point is that the morality of an action should not depend on how "natural" that action may be; biological prescriptivism leads us down a pretty dumb, wacky road where things like hospitals and medicine are now immoral. I'm guessing that this guy dislikes modern technological developments because it makes us irresponsible. But ensuring the mental wellbeing of my trans child by getting him/her the therapy and/or surgery they need is arguably the most responsible thing I could do, right?
>Not only that but I'm partially grateful that western birthrates are near non-existent. If anything its going to weed out the retards and fairweathers.
Ah, the mask slips. This guy is a social Darwinist. Probably watched Idiocracy one time, shat his diaper, and decided to spend his life trying to redpill people on a fucking fat admirer forum.

Also, that screencap is fucking retarded. There are certain stresses unique to living in a city. You have to worry about paying rent, criminals, finding work, buying food, etc. You can't just "mOvE AwAy" if you live in a bad part of town and you don't like your neighbour. How sheltered is this guy?

>>7076
>I don't even touch girls that are into the whole DD/LG thing, since they're, without exception, crazy, from my own observation
holy shit, I've been seeing so many girls into this, I just figured it was a common occurrence. Can anyone else attest to this? I'd like to know if this is a legit red flag.

>>8077

I've noticed this too. I've been around the block enough times to be familiar with the roster of weird fetish shit, but this particular one seems like it exploded out of nowhere a few years ago and all of a sudden TONS of girls are into it. Idk if there was a pop culture vector for this that I don't know about, like 50 Shades with BDSM, or if we're just seeing the demographic manifestation of a generation of girls with daddy issues.

What bugs me about this particular fetish is the way people who are into it will insist on oversharing about it in venues where it doesn't belong. I wouldn't go to a rope bondage forum or a foot forum and start talking uninvited about how I get off to fat women eating. But a lot of "littles" insist on letting everybody know, at length and in detail, that this is what they're into. That does seem like a general psychological red flag to me.

Obligatory disclaimer that there's nothing wrong with having a weird fetish if it's adult and consensual. But c'mon, don't overshare it with people who aren't interested in hearing about it.

>>8080
its like kink veganism

>>8082

Loooooolllll

"How do you know if someone is into DD/LG?"
"Oh, she'll tell you."

Wow, this thread turned into shit. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

>>8261

low effort troll