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Gillette Venus Ad Campaign Features Obese, Trans Models Anonymous 04/05/2019 (Fri) 22:29:08 Id:11ad55 No. 7122
>>7122
>Breitbart
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>has experienced resistance
conservatives resist the big bad political narrative that fat people buy their products, how dare they?
we need the government to regulate that, only healthy and attractive people should appear on advertisements
>>7122
>>7127
i'm not into trans fats but the /pol/ tears are delicious
Well, after they alienated and shat on their entire male consumer base, they have to market their stuff to someone new, right? So if normal men don't buy their products anymore, why not men who think they're women? I see the logic behind it, but why fat trans? Your average tranny already has a pretty short lifespan, I imagine the market for morbidly obese trannies is pretty small.
>>7122
Of all the fat women they could choose, they just had chose Anna. Well I guess it could be worse, they could have chosen Tess Holiday.

>>7128
Or how about people don't like when companies decide to do things for political reasons? I am apolitical (politics are for failures) and I really fucking hate politics, so naturally it pisses me off when a company tries to ram it down my throat at every turn.
>>7130
all the alienated consumers still bought razors to throw them in toilets. the same thing happened with nike
>>7131
a trans fat existing in a razor commercial isn't really political. they use razors like everyone else. i'd say if anything, getting upset about it is what makes it political
>>7130
>Your average tranny already has a pretty short lifespan, I imagine the market for morbidly obese trannies is pretty small.
Your words really hurt my feelings and I'm not redpilled
So how does this add sell razors?
If you don't like Breitbart here's a lefty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si7KeySkp4c

>>7139
Dunno but that's a lot of surface area to help dull the blades quicker.
>>7140
>tim pool
>lefty
was your plan to trick people into giving him more adsense revenue or something
>>7141
>Adsense Revenue
Silly Anon, You Tube doesn't monetize Anti-SJW videos. And you have Add-Blocker anyway.

>>7140
It isn't even about the product any more. This is about signaling their moral virtue and the worst thing a company can do is come off as Holier-then-Tho.

Oddly enough the people they're trying to win over have been bitching about a "Pink Tax" for years.
>>7142
it's not a bad marketing strategy really. the fact that the ad isn't about the product is kind of the point. liberals who see this will buy gillette razors to own the conservatives and the conservatives will protest the ad by buying gillette razors to throw into the toilet. the two sides suppose themselves and gillette wins in the end. this just happened a month ago or so but i guess the idea of both a trans AND a fat is so upsetting to the online right that they can't help but create even more advertiser-friendly outrage once again
>>7143
>conservatives will protest the ad by buying gillette razors to throw into the toilet.
>Protest a company, by buying their product
This is the kind of stupid I expect from reddit. You should go back there.
>>7147
what? they do it all the time. they just did it with both gillette products and nike. it being stupid is my point
>>7149
I'm just going to leave this here.
>>7151
your funnyjunk meme doesn't defy reality. sorry
>>7142
>You Tube doesn't monetize Anti-SJW videos
I'm pretty sure they do. I get those garbage compilations stolen from reddit all the time in my recommended on youtube. I doubt I would get them if they weren't.
I mean Natalie Wynn exists and is absolutely making bank, so trying to be like "oh, well, the algorithm does X, so..." with what gets monetized/demonetized and promoted/suppressed is just trying to read tea leaves, especially since the system so often goes completely nuts over totally apolitical, inoffensive content.

Most of the time, YouTube themselves don't seem to know what their own website is doing when they're not explicitly doing things to bias towards larger outlets and corporate content producers.

Kind of like when Conservatives get shadowbanned on Twitter for no apparent reason, you're reading deeper political meaning where, really, it's just tech bro shitheads being lazy and pretending algorithms can solve problems without human intervention.
>>7153
yeah prageru and all those sjw pwnage compilations sure aren't on youtube for shits and giggles. you can't watch a joe rogan video without your recommendations turning into /pol/ for a week. not sure what that guy's talking about. probably just pulling the oppression card
>>7155
yep. anyone who thinks google's algorithms are there to do anything besides make the most money for them are absolute dullards. it's all the more funny when they pretend that they're outright intentionally oppressed by the platform and algorithms that's done nothing but let them flourish.
>>7156
To an extent, content like you describe does two things. One, makes anyone right of center or anyone who disagrees with this post-modern cultural marxist garbage look like an idiot and two makes them money. It's been shown time and time again content that actually DOES matter and validates those points usually gets removed via hate speech guidelines, harassment guidelines, etc. It's all about optics and who exactly is producing it and for what REAL purpose.
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>>7122
>breitbart
>>7127
>npc
>>7140
>tim pool is a lefty
>>7157
>post-modern cultural marxist garbage
>>7157
weird cause i hear all about post-modern cultural marxist garbage from monetized right-wing youtube videos that youtube recommends to me all the time
>>7157
and i'd like to hear the differences between typical, koch-funded or otherwise monetized prageru/ben shapiro/stefan molyneux/black pigeon speaks video etc and these other, apparently validating videos google is so giddy to remove
>>7159
I wonder how long it's gonna be until they stop shoehorning those terms. I remember it took a good 3-4 years for Fox news to stop using "Job Creators" whenever they were trying to speak about entrepreneurs- and how in reality they were failing them and blaming everyone else.
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there is no greater cultural marxist oppression than google showing a prageru video as the first result for democratic socialism. i weep every day for the downtrodden kekistani people
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>>7159
>>7162
I literally used to pay my bills working for the GOP and the answer is that they will never let this shit go no matter how laughably stupid it is or how often you point out at least one of the things they're saying (cultural marxism) is literally a reappropriated Nazi dogwhistle.

All of these people have the exact same kind of brainworms and the main symptom of it is that there is no term, hang-up, or perceived grievance that they do not stay mad about for the entire span of their miserable, perma-boomer lives. Honestly, I'm amazed more /pol/ shitheads don't get angry about the fairness doctrine or things like that. Like it's before their time, but all of them are 60 forever and it's only a matter of time until they get redpilled on Rush Limbaugh.

It's going to be like this until we're all dead in like 20 years.
>>7165
look conservatives are too damn stupid to fight back anyway. However the good news is liberals are pushing off the last chair that is preventing them from hanging themselves.

I'm just waiting until a decade from now when this country goes into Third World shithole status and Muslims start throwing faggots and beating women in Europe.

After today I'm finally done with boards like this and finally getting my head out of my ass.

A year ago I would have ignored the self-righteous or solipsistic bullshit that goes on but at some point woke up and smelled the bullshit. How the fuck the site hasn't shutdown is amazing.

Enjoy masturbating as the world burns assholes.
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>>7174
I mean I'm no accelerationist because you can't be one without embracing fascism and uhhhh no

But I do kind of feel like we're either going to have a glorious Star Trek future OR we're just totally fucked and it's kind of one or the other. We're faced with this situation where the Liberal powers that be (be they actual Liberals or Neoliberals) are either obsessed with people they don't know doing things that don't affect them or jumping at shadows and blaming Russia for everything so they don't actually have to fix any problems and can stay in the comfortable ataraxia of power.

Outside of that framework you have actual, straight-up fascists who would happily see everyone die if it means claiming what power remains while the world burns and a leftism that's currently too weak to do anything and that might just trip over its own dick and recreate the same corrupt systems of power it's trying to replace if it gets any real power.

Regardless of your personal political preferences (unless you're a fascist, which requires an obsession with gloom and doom), there's room to be positive about the future. It's just hard to see how we're going to get to there from here without some real lean times in the middle that shouldn't have to happen.

Hope springs eternal, I guess.
>>7122
>first they insult all men
>with a commercial starring an armenian genocide denier no less
>now they promote mental illness
But why am I surprised, this is leftardism 101: always double down, no matter what it takes and no matter the cost.
Harry's razors were always better anyway.
>>7174
Parts of the United States already look comparatively third world (just ask the UN); but instead of putting all of your efforts into labor organizing, you're here complaining about left and right liberals while spewing third positionist rhetoric at the same time. It's almost impressive how banal you sound, so I'll say it again: it's all so tiresome.
>>7175
The notion that accelerationism somehow necessitates fascism relies on a very superficial, pop culture understanding of it. Accelerationism prescribes the current conditions of technocapital; it was never meant to be seen as a practice. Dive down the post-Ccru/urbanomic/cavetwitter rabbit hole and you'll quickly find that out.
>>7177
I mean the popular understanding of theory is functionally the same as praxis in all but the most extreme situations of people just being completely stupid and wrong (see: ancaps not being anarchists).

Like enough rose emoji shitheads on Twitter think accelerationism means "actually it would totally rule if there was another Holocaust because that would be unsustainable and I'm white enough I'd probably be ok and survive to help build a glorious anarcho-syndicalist utopia from the ashes" that it does just sort of mean that.

Does it HAVE to mean that? Well, no, not really.

also lmao at people who think the gillette thing isn't just hardcore neoliberal capitalism
>>7176
nice chain email from grandpa-tier memes. especially that last one
>a fat guy
>a guy with tattoos
it's kind of retarded that they were ever considered freaks to begin with. circuses mustve been real boring

also what kind of pathology is this where you imply fat people are freaks on a fat fetish forum
>>7175
Depending on the where you are the situation is different. In the U.S,even with Trump, catch and release has only gotten worse and the situation has gotten pretty bad, according to the union representing Ice Officers last month. That's not going to get fixed and I fully expect Mexico's problems to start bleeding across the border. Canada doesn't have a lottery system and has the US on its border so there's less issues over here for this century but not next.

Europe can go either way. It's all dependant on just how much of a wave the populists make. It might be alright or terrible either way I think the UK is still going to be clown world.

That's not even going into the issue with the Private Social Credit System that is gradually being implemented in the US. Payment processors and banks are pulling people's ability to use them due to being wrongthinkers. Progs don't care because it's being used against their enemies and the lolberts and Ben Shapiro's of the world lecture us how, "It's a private company they can do what they want." This leaves only the Dissident Right and remnants of the Old Left who are really concerned about this. I expect a Red-Brown alliance in the future but we'll see where the future takes us.
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>>7163
You have to be a troll or a troglodyte redditor but either way. The fact that you've labeled Tim Pool of all people a right wing troll shows how fucking retarded you really are. Please, consider sudoku, you stupid fucking nig nog.
>>7184
he certainly isn't a lefty and i never claimed he's a troll. not relevant at all to that post anyway
Not directed at any particular post in this thread, but what frustrates me about the left and I say this as someone who did graduate work in sociology before coming to his senses and learning to code is its absolute inability to engage in good faith with arguments from outside its own lineage of theorists and activists.

It's not going to immediately turn you into a gas-the-poor ancap if you read and are convinced by neoclassical critiques of Marx. It's not going to immediately turn you into a literal Nazi if you read and and are convinced by papers in behavioral genetics, population genetics, and evolutionary psychology, or if you read Robert Putnam's diversity studies and try to think critically about what a tradeoff between heterogeneity and trust might mean for the possibility of an effective social democracy.

And when the left doesn't engage on a serious level with arguments from alternative intellectual traditions, not only does it leave its own arguments weaker than they could be, it opens room for hacks (like Prager, Peterson, etc.) to profit off ordinary people's gut-level sense that parts of the cultural establishment in academia and the media have become dangerously unhinged, which they have. No offense, >>7180, but I don't find the "any mass media idpol I don't like is ACTUALLY just capitalist neoliberalism" argument to be at all convincing, because the culture industry doesn't actually operate in the monolithic base/superstructure way that Marxist media analysis presumes it does.
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>>7186
I mean if we're gonna tout backgrounds, I'm a financial economist with an academic background in human economics and things like the Gillette/Nike shit are 100% neoliberal capitalism and described in base/superstructure or even more primitive non-Marxist dialectic as the sublimation (or recuperation, if you prefer) of potentially-subversive subculture by the uberculture. For my part, any leftist turn I've taken has been pretty recent. Like I used to be a literal card-carrying Libertarian before I realised most of the party are a bunch of assholes on the Koch/Wilks dime, genuinely stupid people, cryptofascists (who are now just hard ultra-far-right psychopaths), and like a dozen or so actual Libertarians.

Back to shitting on large-scale capitalism, the Gillette thing is maybe my favourite example because if you think the woke brands shit is anything but 100% cynicism played to the exact same key as Sunny Delight pretending to be depressed on Twitter, I got news for you, you're wrong. Financial capital hijacking the vectors of social capital can ABSOLUTELY be described through contemporary Marxist theory and through a lot of contemporary capitalist theory, though you do struggle with the latter for two reasons.
1: A lot of contemporary capitalist theory is heavily Austrian and uhh... isn't... really "theory" per se so much as it's just feelsy bullshit.
2: More traditionally Liberal contemporary capitalism does a poor job of focusing on vectors of social capital and market theory when applied to social systems, leaving that work up to economics and sociology which is why the academia of both fields are tainted with a lot of VERY weird assumptions about social agents.

Even with the flaws in capitalist social analysis, there are plenty of valid reasons to assume capital-driven reasons for a company many a cost-benefit analysis in incorporating the outrage of an engineered out-group to promote sales from an engineered in-group.

THAT BEING SAID.

I actually agree with you broadly on the idea that a lot of Leftists are terrible at arguing against capital-C Capitalism within a Capitalist framework. Ironically, a lot of kneejerk Leftists make the same axiomatic assumptions about their ideology that a lot of kneejerk Conservatives do.

"People are just going to agree with me when I state my views because they're so obviously, self-evidently correct."

And, you know, that's dumb as shit. It's doubly ironic because some of the most prominent figures in Leftist theory like Marx (to some extent), Engels (to a pretty severe extent), and Debord (to a massive extent) wrote about operating within Capitalist systems and understanding how Capitalism works not just so you don't starve to death, but so you can offer effective critique and, when possible, deprogram potential allies.

It's literally the same problem faced by any ideological movement, but it's made more frustrating because it's a (non-ideologically) reactionary movement that should have an outside perspective on why you should avoid that sort of blind spot and yet so many people just don't.

Still, it ultimately speaks more to a flaw in in-group/out-group dynamics, PYOOR EEDEEOLOGY [schniff], and the intellectual laziness inherent in humans than it does to anything specific in Leftism itself.
>>7187
Also just as a footnote I want to say I went to university super jaized to get all my assumptions about Austrian economics being super right and obviously the best, most correct, ideal form of market capitalism possible and upon learning how to apply basic math to common-sense models, I learned that was a bunch of bullshit.

There's a reason the core axiom of Austrian economics is "don't do too much math if it might disagree with you".

It is, at times, very hard to engage with certain forms of capitalism in good-faith ways and that's absolutely because a lot of ideological Capitalists will tell you any problem with Capitalism is caused by not doing it hard enough.
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>>7187

>the Gillette thing is maybe my favourite example because if you think the woke brands shit is anything but 100% cynicism played to the exact same key as Sunny Delight pretending to be depressed on Twitter, I got news for you, you're wrong.

But if "woke" pop culture can be parsimoniously explained as the result of amoral profit maximization operating on demographic crowd psychology, then why don't we see any big brands commodifying white/straight/male resentment? There's certainly no shortage of white resentment that could be profitably harvested by a company willing to go there.

Obviously, populists at the ballot box ARE trying to mobilize white resentment. But we're talking mass media, not electoral politics, and from what I see, the mass media are solidly in the tank for wokeness, unless you really want to argue that Fox/CMT-type corny patriotism is Literal Hitler.

Since we both seem to be engaging in good faith here, I hope you recognize that this is a sincere question about your position, not "whites are the real victims!!1" /pol/ bait. (IMO, the answer is that Karl "big slovenly NEET beard that probably has crumbs in it" Marx was wrong and Max "dapper and well-groomed professional beard that makes all the ladies drop their petticoats" Weber was right: occupational status groups, like the media, behave according their own internal logic that doesn't simply cash out to their economic function.)

>>7188

Lol, my intellectual trajectory was pretty much the horseshoe theory opposite of yours. I arrived on campus already self-socialized into the academic left by way of hipster lit crit stuff, and it's taken me a long time to clear out the deadweight and arrive at a more nuanced understanding of how real world polities and economies actually work.

Gotta go to bed cause I have work tomorrow but this is an interesting discussion.
>>7189
The thing is, they have to think about how the big mass of nonradicalized peoples will react to their politicking. Taking a decidedly pro Whito*d stance might cause more problems then taking a pro progressive stance, at least they might THINK it will. Saying "We support White Pride" has a lot more baggage associated with it than saying "We support Progress" in the minds of the public. So if you take the leftie side, you get the bonus free advertisement from discussion WITHOUT alienating the troves of people who don't care much one way or the other. This is the crux of their logic, I think. Of course the "in crowd" that dominated a lot of the think tanks these people listen to genuinely believe in this sort of malarkey, so it's a little of column A and a little of column B.
>>7186

nobody said reading about "behavioral genetics" (scientific racism) will turn you into a nazi - if you believe all that hogwash then you're probably a racist to begin with. you're a strawmanning retard, back to /pol/ with you
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>>7191
>actually looking up scientific data and correlating it to real life is offensive and evil.
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>>7191
This is easily the dumbest thing I've read all day, congratulations. It had to be someone, might as well been you. I'm really getting tired of you double thinking faggots because there is no way of appeasing you, as illustrated by pic related. People like yourself are delusional to the point where death would be a mercy.
>>7516
I don't know what you people do IRL that these things happen, but I have literally never had this happen.

On a side note: Politics are cancer and for failures.
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I'm going to say it!
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>>7518
You clearly have never had an arguement with someone with a chip on their shoulder regarding race relations in the US then. In the event that you ever do regarding these topics, try it out. You'll be amazed at the display of cognitive dissonance and circular logic. Not matter how you frame the argument, you're wrong, racist, and presumably evil if you're white.

>Politics are cancer and for failures.
>Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton, Polk, Lincoln, Jackson, Grant
>Failures
You know, we always didn't live in clown world, where the top pick of who becomes the leader of the United States is between an old lying hag who bathes in the blood of children, an orange Zionist willing to start a war on behalf of a illegitimate foreign nation that constantly starts shit with it's neighbors, and some dirty commie Jew that never worked a hard day of physical labor in his life. We had leaders who fought and died for the good of their countrymen, not for corporations, banks, and outright tyranny.

>>7522
"Im gonna say 'nigger' on an anonymous message board, but not really
Pic related, fucking pansy
don't criticize Bernie for not working if your going to immediately mention people like Washington and Jefferson who also never worked a day of hard labor in their lives

which isn't to talk shit about Washington and Jefferson
>>7151
What fucking website do you think you're on
>>7534
Washington was a soldier and also a surveyor. He actually picked up a rifle and led troops to victory againt the British empire in the American Revolution. Its not exactly sitting behind a desk on your hands. You may have a point with Jefferson, but considering he penned one of the greatest and most prolific legal documents in human history, I'd say that's enough to give him a pass. I could go on to criticize Bernie in quite a few ways, from his pie in the sky socialist ideals where I should give even more of my paycheck to people who refuse to work while he owns several mansions to his inability to even keep order at one of his own rallies, but I think you would still miss my point that they are all shit and do not work for the interests of anyone but themselves, their friends, and their pocketbooks
>>7525
>all this fucking text spreging about politics and imaginary boogeymen
You should put some of that energy into something productive, maybe then you wouldn't be failure kiddo.
>>7537
You might have had a point if it werent so effortless for me. Perhaps if you weren't too busy getting your shit pushed in and actually made any sort of rationale arguement, people wouldn't call you a pants-on-head retarded faggot. Also

>invisible boogeyman
Right, because insane ideas like making people pay reparations for slavery haven't been fielded as serious political platforms as of recent.
My friend who became a monk may be a lot wiser than me. These commercials and our culture in general are likely only going to get worse before some disaster forces a cultural rebirth - if we are not nearing the end, anyway.
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>>7543
I think we are living through Rome 2 Ashkenazi Jigaboo and worst/best case is something near or at end of days.

Its only going to get worse unless there's a mass culling or some natural phenomenon that calls the whole thing to go tits up.
Kind of a misnomer. The fat woman isn't trans.

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