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Demandments 05/11/2019 (Sat) 19:33:45 Id:8742c4 No. 7441
Despite the title, this is more a response to how some artists in this community have seem to either forgot or not know how common decency works.

A community is ran by mutual respect and understanding, not this two class, Ivory tower bullshit. So the following is just a list of suggestions and overall a statement on how artists should treat themselves, each other and most importantly their PAYING customers.

Professionalism:

First and foremost, if artists of this community want to be paid like professionals, then they have to start acting like them. Frequently updating your client on the progress of their commission should be on the artist alone and not solely the responsibility of the paying customer. Turnout times should be discussed before hand and no longer left up to good faith. Things happen in life and your clients should know if there will be a delay in their picture. But even before that, an estimate window of when the finished piece should be sent to them for approval should be revealed first. (two weeks to a month per pic depending on queue and this is based on most pay cycles) Given most artists do ask for money up front to NOT get scammed, the customer should get the same respect and not be waiting months, years or just not getting their art at all with no communication or update from the illustrator.

Requests:

More loose than commissions, given they are essentially free pics. The artist has the freedom to pick and choose but should be obligated to do the picture in a professional and courteous manner. Set limits both slot and subject wise and be as specific as possible, less you are able to take on some possibly heavy themed requests. Should be done in a timely manner as well to possibly build time management skills, otherwise, if you don’t want to do free pics, don’t bother offering because it wastes everyone’s time and shows you are unreliable.

Prioritization:

Look, we get it. You have a lot on your plate when it comes to balancing personal works, fan art, pay packs, art trades, patreon pics and etc. However, this is the workload you decided to take on and thus must manage yourself if you want to be a successful artist. With that, a suggested take is prioritizing what you draw and getting into a rhythm/routine of when you draw. Sure, art block and just low energy exist, but you also have obligations and deadlines to fill, so preparing ahead with exercises to loosen up, smooth music and overall focus are just some words of advice.

Commissions should be first and foremost. Your customers usually pay you up front and with faith in you, they see to a fair transaction, money in exchange for a service. In between and as practice, personal works and maybe works for fellow artists or something silly to unwind may be motivational but never lose focus of the customer coming first. Art trades are probably second, especially if the other person did theirs first. Respect their time and appreciation of wanting to exchange with you.

Socializing:

Be up front but respectful especially with paying customers. Customers don’t have to be your friends but a healthy, mutual business relationship is just as good as a personal friendship. The possibility of a reliable turnout and steady income can be accomplished, simply by being courteous and providing an admirable service in a timely manner.

When it comes to the unsavory type in the community, do not get caught up. Attention is what these people want and public venting about them will only motivate them to continue. Best course of action is to either ignore and block, or a one time response that you state your piece and don’t respond again. Nip it in the bud, you have money to make.

If someone ignores your rules for commissions or the fact you don’t take requests, forward them to your rules or otherwise do not respond.

Never lie or mislead your audience nor emotionally manipulate them, even if you are going through personal problems. Never sell your real life problems for profit or favor. Everyone understands life and be unpredictable. Refunds due to the inability to complete a piece is much more respectable than taking the money and run. More on the latter, when an artist or group do engage in unethical tactics, do not be afraid to speak out and distance themselves. A simple statement is enough and careful not to virtue signal.

Do not play social chess. If you have to ‘prove’ yourself or be at a certain level of recognition to socialize with someone, it’s best you cut ties. Everyone in this community is human, no one is above criticism nor mockery. You do not have to go through hell to just talk to a fellow artist or whoever, seeing as you can just message them on their public sites. And if they don’t want to be your friend, fuck’em. But never sell yourself short to satisfy others.

Association:

Feel free to make friends with whoever you want. Just know, no one is worth sticking around with if they are destructive, negative, and/or abusive to you or your potential customers. While you may have the same opinions on some subjects, it’s best to keep individuality at the forefront, less you co-sign onto something you don’t necessarily believe in.

Burnout and complete loss of motivation is real. You are free to ‘leave’ the community at anytime to pursue something else. However, dramatics in your ‘farewell’ addresses and coming back just cheapens the whole decision. Just announcing a hiatus or change in direction is much more acceptable and logical. People drop habits and move on all the time. But going back to them admits either you were never over it or just wanted to make a big stink for attention before you took your break for sympathy points.

Remember, you are a dime-a-dozen. Someone will take your place, fill your niche but that’s okay. It just means you need the community, not the other way around. Thinking the former just shows how egotistical you are as a person and how you really feel about the people who support you. In a proper community, there isn’t a tier system of how you treat people. Everyone contributes, everyone is equal.

Back to the dime-a-dozen claim, this shouldn’t be seen as a negative but an opportunity. Competition breed the best in folks, friendly competition. Challenging yourself to stand out should be a personal goal but not at the expense of others. Learn, grow and communicate with others. Find an outlet or story you want to tell visually. Take your art to the next level with comics, animation or landscapes and game development. Always strive to better yourself and seek out professional help, advice and peers who may be familiar or experienced in the advice you seek.

Don’t be afraid to fail. You truly fail if you give up or leave. Following trends only stagnate your progress. What works for others may not work for you. And you can’t always catch lightning in a bottle twice. Dare to be different and be patient. Rome wasn’t a built in a day and neither will your fanbase or legacy.
I don't get it lol
i totally agree. but a lot of artists, and especially the paywall cabal hate this place so it's probably going to fall on deaf ears
>>7455

I'm aware, this was more just venting my frustrations with how things are now.
>>7456
Thinking about it, it's kind of awkward and embarrassing to professionalize and make into a "cold" business matter these fetish pictures, often anime-style. Like to make it a capitalistic thing with no "heart" behind it, given its taboo nature is just weird. I don't think I like very much at all your proposals despite apparent necessity. I'm an amateur artist myself, and I realize these things are needed for some order, but come on guy we are talking about butter ball catgirls and such. The "transaction" should be kept casual and empathetic.

Then again I'm an autist with no skill in hard STEM and easily creeped out by a lot of modern lifestyle currents so I suppose I'm more easily affected than most.
>>7458
uh i think something more like that is what he's suggesting dude
>wow these artists this site and others like it treat like disposable shit aren't nice enough to us, what a bad community

Every artist I've personally done anything with or just talked to has consistently been pretty cool, though there are some obvious shitheads in the scene I avoid because, you know, I just make a practice of not talking to shitheads.

Maybe, just maybe, if your experience with artists is consistently bad and/or your perspective of them based on your experience on this site is bad...

That's a "you" problem.

If it wasn't blatantly obvious 9/10 of the people on this website are completely socially inept, I would think you people are a bunch of "let me speak to the manager" types.
>>7461
the fa/wg community specifically has a lot of very prominent stinkers. and they are more often than not some of the most popular and/or are making the most money off of it. you distancing yourself from the very community you're posting in and disingenuously chalking all this all up to personal problems just makes me think you're pretty obviously just one of them. or even worse, one of their white knights
>>7461
and how is giving a thorough, thought-out guideline to artists about treating your viewers/patrons better "treating them like disposable shit"? if just the thought of giving your viewers a modicum of respect is so abhorrent to you then you are absolutely part of the problem.
>>7441
I wouldn't be cordial with you people either, considering you steal everything that isn't welded down and act like giant faggots
>>7465
jfc the paywall cabal butthurt is so real. op's post is hardly even about bbwchan at all
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>>7461
>maybe, just maybe

"Y'all" forgot to throw in a "y'all" and "lot to unpack here" and "who hurt you?" lmao
>>7466
I have no horse in the race, just a casual observer. Even if I did, you cant steal a suit over the internet, but knowing you people, you would if you could.
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>>7462
No I'm just not a completely undeveloped fucking social degenerate who's brain has been poisoned by Online and can tell the difference between "some people are shitheads sometimes" and "wow the entire community is so bad, I'm such a victim of people who aren't like me". See >>7467

You are the parasites, John. The call is coming from inside the house.

>>7468
tbf I'm totally pro-stealing if you're talking about Adobe or other fun forms of piracy. If you're stealing from someone who actually makes something themselves and is just trying to get by in the hellscape that is society while feeling entitled to having them cup your nuts, that's some really snowflakey entitlement.
>>7469
>"some people are shitheads sometimes" and "wow the entire community is so bad, I'm such a victim of people who aren't like me"
good thing that's not what op was implying
>>7468
>I have no horse in the race, just a casual observer
LOL bullshit. there is no reason whatsoever for a "casual observer" to be in a niche place like this. and you absolutely have a horse in the race with that pathetic white-knighting attempt
>>7470
Blaming artists for being ~*~toxic and mean~*~ is blame shifting, my good bitch. There is a baked-in assumption behind this thread that the problem HAS to be from the people making things, not from the community that--in many spaces--consumes them like a bunch of feral retards.
>>7472
the people who make like 50k a year off of a niche fetish like this should very well be held to a certain standard and have a certain level of responsibility. you can't get mad at people for even hypothetically having a problem with some artists and then imply that ONLY viewers can possibly be the problem. it's pathological for literally the same reasons you just put down the former for
>>7472
>~*~toxic and mean~*~
>my good bitch

You are either gay, a redditor, a twitter/tumblr slut, or all 3 at once. I bet my legs on it.
>>7475
lol honestly it is a bit odd. he tried to use words like "toxic"" mockingly when he's the only one who used them at all in the first place
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Let us wash our hands like Pilate and both creators and community remember it is always good to forgive others :) and be nice
>>7477
yeah. i'm really not sure where that guy's getting the impression that op's post was an attack on all artists to begin with. it clearly isn't. and it isn't defending shitty viewers either so ???
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>>7473
>the people who make like 50k
Yeah, because that's so fucking many of them.
>held to a certain standard
lmao op's the fucking brainlord nailing their cumbrained manifesto to the door of an outhouse
>ONLY views can possibly be the problem
I am telling you right now that the issue of problematic artist is individual and the issue of problematic consumers is collective. OP is expecting artists to look at this shit and have some fucking dawning awareness that they've been training the fucking mongoloids on places like BBW Chan TOO HARSHLY and need to be nice so they don't hurt your feelies.
>it's pathological
No, it's not. What's pathological is whatever brain disorder inspired OP.

>>7475
>>7476
you seem very upset by a few simple words may i suggest taking an hero's way out
>>7479
>the issue of problematic artist is individual and the issue of problematic consumers is collective
..no? did you pull this out of your ass? consumers are individuals just the same. and if artists are so interested in this two-class, ivory tower bullshit to begin with then clearly they are willingly some kind of collective themselves
>>7479
>you seem very upset by a few simple words
i'd just prefer you be genuine since you clearly have some big issues with op and our posts. no point in complaining about shit that only you are bringing to the thread, is all i was saying there
>>7479
>Yeah, because that's so fucking many of them.
yeah. power and clout are in the hands of the few. welcome to every industry ever. that power and clout is why they need to be responsible
>>7480
I see a community of consumers bitching about artists as they steal everything they can and scream and cry about not getting a fat of she when they don't get shit they're not even willing to pay for.

What I don't see is a community of artists complaining about shitty consumers in a vacuum.
>7481
This isn't the fucking Forum, Aristotle, you can suck the turds out of my ass. This thread is a bunch of retarded faggots complaining and agreeing with each-other they're not valued on equal footing with people who actually make shit and take the time to develop a craft.
>>7482
Spending 24/7 jerking off does not entitle you to social capital. If you're upset about social capital and the distribution of it, this is the dumbest way and place to complain about it, Debord.
>>7483
>I see a community of consumers bitching about artists as they steal everything they can and scream and cry about not getting a fat of she when they don't get shit they're not even willing to pay for.
being honest here, i avoid the piracy generals. so that doesn't even apply to me. and even so, pirating SOME things doesn't mean you don't buy or support anything ever. that's just silly and not how anyone behaves.
>What I don't see is a community of artists complaining about shitty consumers in a vacuum.
well good to know you have your head in the sand. i think that very thing is kip's favorite pastime. hell, the image in op is about a time four of the biggest artists in the community did that very thing, all at the exact same time. talk about collectives

and you seem really concerned that i'm asking for more power here or something. i'm obviously not. i'd just wish the people who DO have it would be more responsible and not throw fits like you're so very well making an example for right now
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>>7483
Why are you so upset about anime fat girl porn?
>>7484
You are explicitly complaining about the distribution of power/social capital and you not having enough of it. That is objectively what you're doing.

If something I made was extensively pirated and one of the most-trafficked threads on a forum dedicated to piracy was a wall of absolutely over-the-top hate dumped on not just my work, but me as a person, I'd be pretty fucking mad about it.

You complete dunces lose your fucking minds if someone uses a handful of words you don't like, just like you did earlier. That shit ABSOLUTELY triggers you and sends you all into these wailing tirades because you're terrified of some interloper in your jerkoff cave. It is the apotheosis of how socially dysfunctional you people, you included, are that you cannot understand people being rightly upset about someone far worse than someone using completely benign words you don't like.

You are mad that you're not important enough and you're too much of a lazy, talentless, unlikable piece of socially inept shit to be important to anyone you think is worthy enough to value.

That's why you're mad. That's why this thread is here. That's why the only "creators" on this site are shit-tier artists who are never going to progress or who, if they do, will leave this place behind like a backwater small town and will happily pretend like it doesn't exist.
>>7485
>an autist with no skill in hard STEM
Don't you have a school shooting to masturbate to?
>>7486
Yes, and these "shit tier creators" have the nerve too to sit down on the Sabbath with Publicans and SINNERS!

(How do you expect anyone here to take your posts seriously when you're acting like this? Your ID shows how unbecoming your behavior is all over here. Who are you trying to convince?)
>>7486
jesus christ. so much yelling but so little actually said.
>was a wall of absolutely over-the-top hate
that's...not what this is. pretty much my entire problem with you really is your inability to meaningfully/honestly engage with op's post. i only lightly pointed out your weird use of words just as an example of this.

i'm sorry you've worked yourself up into such a tizzy over this but as far as i'm concerned, it's entirely your own fault. you need to calm down or just leave
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>>7488
>how unbecoming your behavior is
What are you, Publius Faggius, worried about the decorum on your precious chan because this is the only time you talk to people that isn't getting getting shitty student union food at 1:00 before the bars let out?

Did I hit a nerve and hurt your feelings? You seem really worried about my language no matter what lexicon I use. Do I need to use brainlet-friendly words so you don't get triggered?
>>7489
There is no honestly engaging with a point that is so nakedly moronic. There is no discourse here, cunt.
>>7490
I was writing a long last reaction, but then I saw this post and your picture. I'm absolutely bewildered and confused by the contradictions in the markers of how you post.

Since I cannot conclude precisely what your point is here, I can only safely claim you're a troll and really bored tonight.

I suggest that you spend a wiser proportion of your time with something more healthy than arguing about fat anime girl porn and its business online... try lifting weights. Goodnight, I have nothing more to say but this was entertaining.

And if you're going to accuse someone of being an NPC btw, accuse someone who is not cursed with this tragic fetish because it is a curse.
>>7491
are you literally shaking rn you sound like you're literally shaking rn >> 7467
>>7471
>there's no reason to be a casual observer in this niche place
You know, a year or two ago, you would be absolutely correct. However, now, I do not watch porn, I don't participate in content creation, and have actually encouraged close people's to hang it up. You could say my gofundme page is a horse in the race, but you would also look like a fool for doing so considering that once my first goal is met, all my plans will be released publicly and cannot be stolen in a digital medium until then. So, being a causal observer, I find it pretty entertaining to watch you morose motherfuckers squeal when someone tells you to pay for your cummies, even more so when the thieves are asking for customer service.
>>7469
I'm kind of the same way, except I'll do it more on a trial basis. If I like it or find it useful, I'll buy it because I want that company to thrive and make more stuff. Not to mention, keeping up with updates on a pirated copy of Photoshop or something similar is a pain in the ass.

I also hate that faggot's "My wife is a doctor, die for Israel, and I pull my pants all the way down at the urinal to pee!" face.

>>7471
>there's no reason to be a casual observer in this niche place
You know, a year or two ago, you would be absolutely correct. However, now, I do not watch porn, I don't participate in content creation, and have actually encouraged close people's to hang it up. You could say my gofundme page is a horse in the race, but you would also look like a fool for doing so considering that once my first goal is met, all my plans will be released publicly and cannot be stolen in a digital medium until then. So, being a causal observer, I find it pretty entertaining to watch you morose motherfuckers squeal when someone tells you to pay for your cummies, even more so when the thieves are asking for customer service
>>7494
>>7495
you and that other guy are the only ones making this about piracy.
and wew a guy on a niche porn imageboard telling me he doesn't watch porn. you picked a pretty revealing place to rp about how stoic and detached you are
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>>7496
wew lad you're trying real hard to not talk about how the consumers of this bullshit are the ones causing the problems fuckin wew lad the wews on this lad lads got a real wew of a lad here lads
Hey, OP here.

Glad some Anons got the point of the post. The suggestions never applied to those who didn't fit the description and while I am frustrated with how I have been treated by artists, don't mistake me for some whiny leech because I wasn't get free fat porn.

I've been paying for my shit since I got a proper job, supporting Patreons and the like. I also took commissions myself so I know how this shit works. Like I said when I initially posted this thread, despite the title, this is more of a suggestion, while testing the waters, which is why I posted here in this 'outhouse.'

If I posted this publicly, I'd probably be dog piled by the very people I am talking about that should get their act together ironically enough. I've done smaller scaled stuff like this before and got gaslight'd and a lecture run around trying to paint me as the 'ungrateful' one despite being the one giving these shits my money with no hesitation but they all of a sudden can't find the time to do my one pic but magically belt out artpacks once a month.

But mighty funny an Anon got upset despite this being a rather cringey subject to begin with. I think telling some of these adult people who draw fat chicks to treat people who actually pay them with respect is a stupid thing to do, yeah but here we are!

But if you wanna make this about piracy, sure I'll touch the poop on this.

I just find it funny artists and their supports are fine with pirating games, music, anime and even things like photoshop but when it comes to them, they use the 'little guy' excuse. If they were really honest, they'd say piracy is wrong in any case and never touch those types of programs or engage in the act. So spare us the blatant hypocrisy because the actual pirates use the same excuse of 'you make enough money' anyway.

As another Anon pointed out, some make more in a month than I make in a year/lifetime yet still complain about the very community that funds their lives. That's the same attitude the music industry had when people first began pirating their music, yet still made bank on concerts and commercial deals.

The main reason I use Bamboo's pic is because he and several artists somehow had the funds to go to a foreign country, meet up and talk shit about the people who pirated their shit, yet didn't seem to understand how they got there in the first place. The people who gave a shit and supported your Patreon, Ko-Fi and bought commissions from you should be your focus, not some God damn freeloaders.

Piracy isn't even full piracy in this case because SOMEONE had to pay the artist's pay wall in the first place, no? Unless the artist posted the entire art pack or Patreon pic on a secret discord group or whatever, you get at least one sale. I would think the customer is in their full right to do almost whatever you want with your product, save claim it or resell it (in most cases) but that's just my personal take.
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Woof. Okay. A LOT of pretty heated opinions up in this thread.

As a "creator" who has "been around" for over "fifteen" years, I can say that this particular niche of fetish attracts some people who are savory, alongside some people who are, as we say in the industry: fucking bonkers.

THAT BEING SAID: Sure, people should get incentivized to do things. That's kinda how society has functioned for the past... forever. But there is a LOT of shit being flung in this thread that feels like someone tried to get something from an artist, then got pissed when they were curt with them.

Spoiler alert: My writing is shit, I rarely upload anything, and yet I still get at least 5 messages a week on dA where people ask something along the lines of:

"can u rite a story about maggi simpson being 12300 pounds??????? i hav no monies :C its a rekwest"

Seriously, I'm not pretending I'm Gustav Holst writing "The Planets". I write things that I like to write because of hormones and boners and stuff. Still, there is a severe sense of entitlement in this community, even on my lesser-known end of things.

OP, I can tell you mean well and you're trying to convey a point that you feel strongly about, but the fact of the matter is that you're being oddly specific on certain points which makes these feel like it's directed at a single person, which is why so many people are dog-piling on you.

While I agree that there's a severe lack of professionalism in this scene, it's also... Y'know, fatty fetish stuff. So it's a little buckwild to assume that people are going to treat you like you're staying at the Ritz-Carlton when you're throwing them 20 buckaroos to draw an obese lady eating a cheeseburger like in that Carl's Jr. ad.
>>7499

OP again

>As a "creator" who has "been around" for over "fifteen" years

I'm in the same boat.

>But there is a LOT of shit being flung in this thread that feels like someone tried to get something from an artist, then got pissed when they were curt with them.

I've said several times I pay for my shit, why do people keep going to this?

>Spoiler alert: My writing is shit, I rarely upload anything, and yet I still get at least 5 messages a week on dA where people ask something along the lines of:

"can u rite a story about maggi simpson being 12300 pounds??????? i hav no monies :C its a rekwest"

Again, using leeches as an example. We all agree they are bad but are apart of our community, let's stop giving this attention and not feed these idiots.

>OP, I can tell you mean well and you're trying to convey a point that you feel strongly about, but the fact of the matter is that you're being oddly specific on certain points which makes these feel like it's directed at a single person, which is why so many people are dog-piling on you.

It's a small handful of people. Both past and present who are still being shits.

>While I agree that there's a severe lack of professionalism in this scene, it's also... Y'know, fatty fetish stuff. So it's a little buckwild to assume that people are going to treat you like you're staying at the Ritz-Carlton when you're throwing them 20 buckaroos to draw an obese lady eating a cheeseburger like in that Carl's Jr. ad.

I agree with this to a point. But it's mighty funny that it's 'serious business' when we are presumably 'stealing' from the little artists that could but 'it's just fat chicks' when some people have to wait a year to get a pic they paid for or have to deal with artists taking their money and leaving.

You see all these awareness posts when an artist encounters a shitty person charging them back on Paypal or some drama with another artist in which you should choose sides, but God forbid a customer complain they aren't getting decent service.
>>7498
>The main reason I use Bamboo's pic is because he and several artists somehow had the funds to go to a foreign country, meet up and talk shit about the people who pirated their shit, yet didn't seem to understand how they got there in the first place. The people who gave a shit and supported your Patreon, Ko-Fi and bought commissions from you should be your focus, not some God damn freeloaders.
this. i still can't believe they chose to pull that "starving artists like me are so mistreated by this awful community" whilst literally partying it up in japan with their patreon money. it was ridiculous. the fact that someone can look at that and not immediately understand you and the type of artists you're talking about just makes me think they're in on it somehow. or, more likely, are just unreasonably dense
>>7502
What are you talking about? Out of the four artists you're talking about, Kip is the only one that is actually making enough money to live off of their work. The idea that they're criticizing the type of people who actually support them financially doesn't hold up to scrutiny either. (There is that one part in the greentext, however, Matcha at least had said that that wasn't really who they had a problem with.)

I think it's telling that most of the people that are still mad over a post made 6 months ago are the same people that said post was referring too.
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>>7498
>I just find it funny artists and their supports are fine with pirating games, music, anime and even things like photoshop but when it comes to them, they use the 'little guy' excuse.
If you can't tell the difference between stealing from a corporation and stealing from an individual creator, I don't know how to educate you out of that problem.
>>7504

Stealing is stealing. Either all of it is justified or not. Don't just defend the act when it happens to someone you don't like. Besides, if this artpack and paywall method was being ruined by piracy, you'd think they'd try another way of making money instead of pursuing a fruitless business practice.

>>7503

Again, not my point. I'm talking about artists who mistreat their paying customers while whining and giving attention to those who don't pay them
>>7503
>The idea that they're criticizing the type of people who actually support them financially doesn't hold up to scrutiny either. (There is that one part in the greentext, however, Matcha at least had said that that wasn't really who they had a problem with.)
weird that they felt no need to elaborate or explain that part of the meme until people got upset at them over it. it's almost as if they wanted to call out the community, even their supporters, and only backpedaled once they got shit for it.
>I think it's telling that most of the people that are still mad over a post made 6 months ago are the same people that said post was referring too.
pretty hard to not be involved in a greentext that involves just about everyone in the community. or are you just being dense and hyperfocussing on the piracy aspect again
Some specific examples about which artists are doing these bad things would be nice because I'm still incredibly confused
>>7499
I guess I'm an anomaly but to date I have yet to encounter personally anyone particularly unpleasant. Who's the worst user you've had to deal with? Or weirdest/grossest request?

For me I would rather die than draw farting. No....
>>7506

>weird that they felt no need to elaborate or explain that part of the meme until people got upset at them over it. it's almost as if they wanted to call out the community, even their supporters, and only backpedaled once they got shit for it.
I can't argue with this, if you don't take them at their word, then fine. I just don't get that impression from them, in my interactions anyway.

>pretty hard to not be involved in a greentext that involves just about everyone in the community. or are you just being dense and hyperfocussing on the piracy aspect again
See, as I said, it's not everyone in the community. If you still feel personally targeted by that post at this point, it's probably because you are actually guilty of what they're accusing you of.

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