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Custom Clip Experiences Anonymous 06/20/2019 (Thu) 01:54:23 Id:605375 No. 8095
So about 3 weeks ago i ordered a custom from 2 models since they were filming together over the weekend, and i havent heard back since, i dont even know if my clip was even filmed. Anyone else had experiences like this?
I ordered one from Jae on the 30th, and haven't heard anything from her since my payment went through.
I ordered a clip from Hazel before. When I asked about it she blocked me on all platforms and I never heard from her again. So that is a possibility. Most experiences I've had were better though. The most common thing when asking about videos is girls who are just starting out charging a lot more than their videos are worth.
That doesnt seem like Jae, but SSBBW Brianna for sure ripped me off.
If you ordered one from jae, how long did it take for you to get it? Yeah SSBBW Brianna and Leighton Rose have both ripped me off too.
>>106490
Lol YES i was ripped off by Brianna. Fat girls too lazy to make custom vid surprise surprise..

How dumb are we..
Question for you fellas, how much did you pay for your "commissions"?
I paid $133 for mine
The ones with Jae were always with Caitidee so a few days? A week a most to get them. The most Ive paid for one was $1200 but it was two models and delivered no problem.
>>106538
Shit, is this the average price for custom videos? I'd feel like I got ripped off even if I got the video at this price, unless the video was like 2 hours long.
i kind of want to get one from gwen adora or kristi maxx
>>106541
Better have been a damn good video at that price.
The one I paid for was just jae so maybe that's why I haven't gotten it.
On average most models charge $10/$20 dollars a minute.
I remember I bought a custom video from Peyton Thomas and she promised it in a week. I msged her about it and she wouldn't reply, then she blocked me. Alot of models figure they can get away with that but slowly destroy their fanbase and reputation by having poor/shitty service.
Rennaye Starr and Ivy are quick and do a fantastic job. They're the only ones I've commissioned as it seems everyone else I've heard about is a straight up rip-off artist or so lazy you get 150 apologies over 6 months and then they just ghost you.
>>106427

You ordered jeans for me to try on, which you know would take a week or more. And I've been out of town since June 9th. I do my best to answer emails but I do miss them sometimes.

Lately, I've been shoddy with time but I've been transitioning away from BigCuties, opening a C4S store and trying to clear a massive list of customs that I thought I could take on. I know it's just "excuses" but things are getting better for me mentally and my work flow is getting better. I'll be home tomorrow and uploading (speeds were horrendous or else I would have done so sooner) and editing and we'll be back to your regularly scheduled program.

Also, I know when I'm being shitty so I ALWAYS offer either your money back, a free custom or whatever clips you want from my store or a free snapchat premium membership if you don't have one already.

Bbwjaeclips@gmail.com is my only working email as my bigcuties one is deactivated. Get in contact if I've missed you. Thanks!
>>106541
$1200? wow. for that price id like to hang out with the ladies as well not just get a clip. how long was this clip supposed to be?
>>106541
Mind if we ask what the vid was?
Juicyjacqulyn is pretty good. She charges 20 a minute and as long as it’s not a talking video it’s pretty darn good.
>>107352
If 20 a minute is considered good, then I'm never going to be getting a custom video from any model. There's no way I'm paying $200 or more if I want a 10 minute video.
>>107407

Oh. Then you're just poor.

$20/minute has been ordinary since I was in college, lol. Don't order custom videos if you're poor.

With that said, I still want to know what the fuck this $1200 custom was.
>>107463
It's not a matter of being poor. I can certainly afford it, it's just not worth it. When non-custom videos generally cost around $1-2/minute, paying $20/minute is a massive ripoff.
>>107477

Thats why you guys never get anything good.

First you are complaining bout quality and it say it aint worth it.
Then, when someone does something good, you gonna complain about the price being rip off.

FYI: It is $50+ per minute for quality content to be actually profitable. And as long as you are unwilling to afford it as a community - you'll have to stick to 90-ies camcorder quality.
>>107478
where are these expenses going if you need $50 a minute to be profitable? Camera, cameraman, outfits, loacation and props doesn't sound like it would take that much
>>107479

If it doesn't sound that much, then you need to actually look into how much those things actually cost. And it has to be profitable.
>>107478
>FYI: It is $50+ per minute for quality content to be actually profitable. And as long as you are unwilling to afford it as a community - you'll have to stick to 90-ies camcorder quality.


Maybe if a model just plans on making one video and then retiring. Getting a decent camera doesn't cost so much that a few videos at an affordable price won't cover the cost.
>>107483

Getting a decent camera starts at $2000+ Then you need a decent amount of other equipment, some of it may be purchased used. That will be approximately another $3000 if you are good at trading. That is $5000 spent and you are not able to make videos yet. Ta-da!

The $50+ rate is a calculated estimate for this business.

The moment the community as a whole starts paying that level of prices - you'll get fantastic content. Until then it is vain.
>>107510
>Getting a decent camera starts at $2000+
Nonsense. You can get a decent camera for $300-400. Yes, that's still a lot of money, but $2000 is ridiculous unless you're 100% professional.

Regardless, it's called an investment. You can't demand premium pricing if you don't put out premium content. If you want to start charging higher prices, then put out higher quality videos (with GOOD lighting and camera angles), do some proper editing, and if you take on a custom, do exactly what is asked of you.

It takes money to make money. Do you think any other business can just start charging high prices if they're only starting out under-equipped? No. If you're a model and just starting out and don't have great equipment then charge accordingly. Offer customs at reasonably low prices and provide excellent results with what you have. This will get you some revenue to re-invest back into getting decent equipment.

"Sex workers" want to be treated like a legitimate business? Well start acting legitimate. That means stop acting entitled to people's money and hold other models accountable for shitty "business" practices like stealing people's money. This community is rife with scam artists and thieves, yet so few are ever called out by other models. Attempts by customers to call scammers out gets you labeled as "hating sex workers" or "harassment." It's bullshit. Remember that scammers make all other models look bad and less trustworthy.

>The $50+ rate is a calculated estimate for this business.
Models can certainly try to charge that much, but they won't get any business. Especially with girls running off with people's money being such a common occurrence.

To the people commissioning customs: I strongly suggest you use a trusted platform like ManyVids or iWantClips. This forces models to either deliver something to you for your money or provide a refund. It's better for everyone involved. Try not to use $Cash, Venmo, Paypal, giftcards, etc, to pay them unless you're sure they're trustworthy.
The clip was Kristi Maxx and caitidee btw. I’ve got some epic ness over the years and besides Brianna, I’ve never had a bad experience with customs.
>>107510
Honestly, the level of content we already get is good enough for me. I'm certainly not going to be paying $50/minute for any improvements. And in all honestly, these prices are bullshit. As the other guy pointed out, a decent camera is $300-400, and there's absolutely no way anyone needs to spend $3000 on equipment just to make decent videos.
Juicyjackie is actually pretty good
Ive bought 16 clips off her. she charges 20 per minute but she gets it done fast and for the most part Ive been satisfied 90 percent of the time
Bigcuties Brianna sucks
i bought a 10 minute clips of her 7 months ago and when i asked her 3 months in she complained about depression than blocked me on all platforms
>>107510
>$5000 on equipment

Mate, even modern cell phones can film semi-decent content. Needing to spend $5000 is absurd.

>$50+ per minute

So if someone wants a 10 minute video, they have to be expected to pay $500 or more on it? That's just idiotic. I wouldn't even spend that kind of money on a full length movie featuring all my favorite models. For $500 I can easily get 35-50 normally priced 10 minute videos.

I guarantee that these kinds of prices would just lead to far less people buying custom videos. The only people who would buy videos that cost this much are people who are obsessed with the models who think that spending this much will make the women want to fuck them, and maybe some people who are just addicted to porn.
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>>107519

You seem to simultaneously agree and disagree. Yes, it is an investment. ROI and profitability achieved at $50 rate. Community is unwilling to pay - we see no sense in that investment. As simple as that.

>>107535

Pic says it all, pal.

>>107540

Mate, cell phone doesn't do. Amateur level equipment doesn't do either. Old pro equipment may do, but aint that cheap and a hustle to use. I don't wanna explain all the nuances, it just doesn't work that way.
You wouldn't spend money and that's ok. You wouldn't and another 80% wouldn't as well.

And that's why you are not getting few 400+ lbs young girls in 4k filmed and pictured in fabulously set locations.

Because this opinion is so common that level of content is not achievable yet.

As I said, once the community as whole is ready - it comes. For now - its it not worth to do.

P.S. However I really appreciate your feedback.
>>107510
This is literal insanity. They're shooting porn, not a fucking 140 minute amateur film for their filmography major.

Hell, let's assume the buyer DEMANDS 4k quality with amazing audio.

Boom, amazon has one for 300$. The tripod (Gotta have that tripod) is another 35$. A super nice directional mic with a windscreen on it is another 35$. Great, so we're up to 370. A high end computer- IF you build it yourself, which at this point is so foolproof that my 13 yr. cousin just did it a few months ago, shouldn't cost more than 700$, if all you're gonna be doing is video editing. While it's a little shifty, you can get a Premier Pro access key for about 30$ if you shop around.

Also, I'd like to emphasize that spending 700$ on a PC that you're only going to edit porn on is probably a bit much, but whatever.

The point is, saying that they need to spend 5000$ to shoot fucking custom videos is absurd.
>>107557

I'm not sure you are getting it. I suppose if mediocrity is what you aim for, then yes, maybe that'll work.

I am talking about actual pro equipment. Not tech toys from china. Again, I am talking about real damn filming and photos.

For the computer part, sorry but you get it terribly wrong. For some occasional work a $1k machine might do. But you generally need workstation level machine for that. And you don't build those yourself. You either get Mac Pro or HP z-series. Building those yourself places you $1-2k above Mac Pro / iMac Pro price.
>>107553
I said $300-400. It depends on what you're looking for. Plus you can get it and accessories on sale.

You can get the Canon Rebel 7 with a shit ton of accessories for $450: https://www.amazon.com/Canon-T7-18-55mm-3-5-5-6-Accessory/dp/B07P15K8Q7

Decent quality and not a bad price at all. Without the accessories you can get it for $400 or $350.

>Yes, it is an investment. ROI and profitability achieved at $50 rate. Community is unwilling to pay - we see no sense in that investment. As simple as that.

The community is unwilling because even the really popular models turn out to be scam artists (see: Brianna AND Breanna) and often the quality isn't there. And that's not even getting into how some girls can't seem to follow instructions. Anyway as I said before, you CAN'T demand those kind of prices without proving you can produce extremely high quality content FIRST.

If you're not willing to make the investment and effort, then don't expect people to pay those prices. It's that simple.

>And that's why you are not getting few 400+ lbs young girls in 4k filmed and pictured in fabulously set locations.

Most people don't want all that. They just want to see a fat girl eat some food and show off her body. All we ask is that girls stop filming in 640x360 in 2019 and have some decent lighting (no, you don't need pro lighting either) and camera angles.

Chubby Girl Videos filmed with a webcam and it was fine. From what I remember, she said that thing didn't cost more than $150.

>>107560
No, I don't think you quite understand. The average fat girl putting out videos on clips4sale or Manyvids Does. NOT. Need. to spend thousands on film equipment. You're not making porn for Brazzers, you don't need that kind of equipment.

Most people wouldn't even know how to properly work a high-end camera, so unless you have a trained camera man, it's not necessary. Hell, most girls can't even edit properly. You think they'll be able to use pro equipment?
damn, for $50 a minute you better be willing to do some crazy shit. like completely humiliating yourself in public or something wild like that

not even Carmen LaFox charges that much, and she's by far the most popular model in the community.
There's a weird expectation I'm seeing here that if a model or camgirl can charge for a custom video, you're entitled to a higher quality than usual. Why?

Do you feel misled or something? You know what their baseline of quality is. Suggesting camera upgrades is fine when they're starting out and have promise, but if they're a year in it's entirely up to the model to figure out if the investment is worth it (which it is, no one is arguing that it isn't)

Why would your request be the straw that breaks the camel's back? You know what to expect, they're setting the terms. You can just walk away; unless you're some sperg from Reddit that only likes one model AND ONLY ONE MODEL you have other options to choose from.
i think the problem is some models charge these insane rates and just dip or they respond with flat out trash for a video. this has happened to me more than once. im not paying $500+ for a video of some woman masturbating. sorry not sorry. if its a video scripted out it depends how money is looking but at that point it all factors in as to how well they do. ive given top money to top stars who have clearly not even tried. one model obviously had the script right in front of her on a screen and was reading it as the film progressed. it was putrid. i paid her top dollar. another model charged very little as she was just starting. she gave it her all and tried to memorize the lines and all. to this day that is the best video i ever had a hand in making and i told her that. if she ever wanted another video or more money id be sure to help her out. if im giving top dollar i want top quality and models arent willing to reciprocate that. plus theres the aforementioned issue that some just take the money and vanish for a few weeks to a few months hoping that people will forget. when theyre called out on it they get blocked. that isnt cool but thats why the models have people send them money like that. you cant claim you were ripped off when you were "sending money to a friend" which is how they have people send money. notice they dont want notes? that could be because paypal isnt keen on pornography but also it sounds very suspicious to say something like "for the video" and then file a dispute that you never got said video. at that point its evidence that they owe you and they dont want that. they really arent that slick.
I didnt want to start the thread with the intention of throwing shade around a model directly, but i guess the information can help potential scams not happen. Also in terms of quality, the actual video quality is up for debate, but im not sure what kind of editing would require a WORKSTATION pc. These clips are often about 10 minutes long, and their idea of editing is pretty much putting some text at the start of the video advertising their store/website. This is typically the excuse that annoys me the most, as editing the video is pretty much completely unnecessary, and even encoding a video should not take more than 20 minutes.
I've had decent luck with customs, but yeah,definitely don't use PayPal or CashApp for those unless you trust the model. Usually as long as you're polite and understanding you'll be fine,but as most people have said,it's too easy for people to take the money and run when there's no recourse.
>>107571
thats what i dont get. they charge these outrageous prices, why? some of them legit film them on cell phone camera and they are so bad its pitiful. film is grainy, can barely hear the model and then what can you do? demand a refund? and then they stop responding. the way i see it is like this. they charge maybe $10/min. to me thats even too much when i can get a camgirl to do whatever i want, see what im working with quality wise and all for around the same price plus i wont have to wait until whenever they think they want to do it. most of these models arent swimming in customs. they want you to believe that but its obvious they arent because if so theyd release the majority of them for sale. when i have customs made im not giving the model an extra $150 to keep it between us. sorry no. the custom was too expensive to begin with and i have no doubt others take that same stance. so these models take weeks to do them why? then they film them in maybe one or two tries, do a bit of editing, im sure it takes maybe an hour or two at most and they have $200 for the time and effort. $200 for possibly two hours of work when its more like half hour is nothing but profit for them and this is why i really take time to ponder whether or not customs are worth it. the same thing for a rush fee. why? im paying an extra $50 for you to get up and do it within the week? within the week? why cant it already be done within the week? there are exceptions but most of these models just are not that busy. they front on twitter and online but the truth is they just dont want to do the work. sometimes they end up ripping people off in the long run as well because they keep on pushing it off until the person forgets about it or gives it up.
>>107553
>And that's why you are not getting few 400+ lbs young girls in 4k filmed and pictured in fabulously set locations.

Since when is anyone even demanding this? I don't want it, and most people I've seen also don't want it, or at least don't care if we get it or not. The only time I've ever seen anyone complaining about quality is when a video is below 720p, and again, even most modern cell phones are capable of filming in HD.

As long as the quality isn't terrible and the camera angles are decent, most people will be satisfied with what they get, and the model certainly doesn't need to spend thousands of dollars on this.
>>107571
Mate, I've spent a little bit of time editing videos for models. You can download top quality software for FREE to do it. Editing takes ten minutes or less, depending on your PC speed it can take 15-40mins to save the file, where you walk away and watch TV.

If they are telling you editing takes ages, is hard or expensive - they are lying to you. Call them out on their shit.
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To give a positive experience: I want to give a shout out to XOShanJanXO. I've ordered customs from her and she does absolutely amazing work. She does exactly what is asked and looks like she has tons of fun doing it.

I don't know if she's still active, but if you're looking for customs she's a great choice.
anyone going to admit who they got ripped off by so that we know who to avoid?
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>>107510
>$2000+ camera
>for the most one of the most vanilla of porn niches with some of the laziest models
>>107540
>Mate, even modern cell phones can film semi-decent content.
Full length feature films have been shot on iPhones but this person is trying to convince people $5K+ is required to shoot mundane BBW content. Absolutely ridiculous.

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>>107668

It was never about mediocre mundane content. It was about GOOD content. And you don't make it the way people here described it. The cheapest full-frame camera is $900+ (and that's only camera body) the one you might consider starts at $2k as noted in the beginning.

Once again. It is about creating high-end content using high-end equipment.
And once again, please note my original statement.

At the rate below $50+ it is not profitable to create high-end content. Once the community as a whole pays that rate - you will get awesome content in perfect quality.
Until then - enjoy cell phone clips shot in poor lit bathrooms.
I am not forcing anyone to buy anything. It was estimated that community is unwilling to pay decent rate yet. So you don't see that content being sold or made at the point.

I don't understand why there is so much fuss around it? Figuratively speaking I've mentioned an 18-wheeler and people started to convince me to use small pickup trucks and family vans instead.

P.S. Is that movie good? Would you recommend watching it?
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>>107691
Hold on... You're _actually_ using or intending to use a full-frame camera for stinky 1080p videos and .jpg pictures?
I hope you're a professional photograph and using that thing for hours a day at least lmao.

Case in point: Roxxie is continuously bestseller on C4S and how do her videos look like?
A pixelated mess. With bad lighting. (!)

Juicy Jackie? "Better" lighting. And it's still not enough at all.
You can see a strong noise in the image, while the sensor is fighting against the photon deprived suffocation.
It's literally so strong you can still see it through all the blur, caused by her being out of focus. 🤦‍♂️

Both could've filmed these videos on their iPhones (or other cheap cameras) and it wouldn't even have mattered for the underlying issue of them and most other models lacking basic photography and video encoding knowledge.
I weep for your potentially (probably?) underused 35mm camera.
>>107691
you keep pulling 2000 out your ass. An HD video camera does not need that much.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/panasonic-hc-vx1-hd-flash-memory-camcorder-black/6196011.p?skuId=6196011

>fabulous locations
the fuck? We aren't trying to fund a vacation video or pay for pro cameramans college fees.depending on where you live In your room isn't a terrible place, and if you need a hotel to shoot, a few hundred will get you a nice place.
>>107557
has the right idea. Plus you aren't going to buy those every time. if you need $50 a minute to profit you're only planning a few hundred minutes of career time. That's not a sex worker who respects their craft, that's a get rich quick scheme
>>107510
>Getting a decent camera starts at $2000+
Yeah maybe if you’re a fucking movie director. You can get a quality camera for $300 max. You’re completely overthinking this. They’re making 10 minute porn not 3 hour movies. No fucking shot it costs anywhere near 5k
>>107553
>And that's why you are not getting few 400+ lbs young girls in 4k filmed and pictured in fabulously set locations.
Fam nobody wants that. I legit just want to see a fat girl eat more than humanly possible and be lazy as shit. If YOU want that then speak for yourself but even THEN $50 a minute is outrageous. $20 videos on their main site is worth more than that. No one should be spending more than $30 MAX for a 10 minute video and even that’s pushing it a bit. If you actually pay $500 for a 10 minute video you’ll only jerk off to once than you’re just a rich cuck trying to flex. I’d even be hesitant to pay more than $500 for a session with two of my favorite models. And whoever spent $1200 for a custom is just stupid. Unless that shit was a legitimate movie with multiple models you got robbed fam.
Even if the equipment does cost that much (which it doesn't) it's not like every video needs to completely fund that however many times over. I usually find that the models that charge a ridiculous amount make videos that are not nearly worth it. It's usually just entitlement. Not always the case, but usually.
>>107693

Finally someone who understands. Yeah, their poor quality is what made us consider doing it in the first place.
The camera sees usage but for other projects for now.


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>>107703
>>107706
>>107718

Guys, once again, it is not happening.
We are not doing it. No-one forces you into anything. Community, as a whole is unready to pay this price, we got it. We got some time ago.
You don't need to justify it. It is OK.

However I do appreciate your feedback a lot!

P.S. Yes, pro equipment costs way more then consumer grade. If someone has full frame 25+ Mp DSLR cameras at $300 - you've got yourself a bulk deal.
>>107691
>>107730
Let's assume that models somehow get this expensive equipment your proposing for them. That isn't automatically going to make their content any better because many of these models are, quite bluntly, fat lazy fucks who put for the absolute minimum effort required to get money from perverts.

This whole discussion is a farce.
>>107730
>Community, as a whole is unready to pay this price, we got it.

We're never going to be ready to pay $50/minute because it would be a scam.

And besides, even if these models DID decide to go buy $5000 of equipment, even though it's completely unnecessary, charging that much would still be stupid. They're not going to produce any content that's worth that much, though I doubt that ANY content is worth $50 for a single minute. And aside from that, absolutely no one is asking for models to buy all this equipment or film everything in 4k. They would just be charging an absurd amount of money for something no one asked for.

>Yes, pro equipment costs way more then consumer grade.

No one is saying that pro equipment doesn't cost more, what everyone is saying is that pro equipment isn't necessary. Cameras that are $200-400, along with phones can film in high quality just fine. There's no reason to buy a camera that costs thousands of dollars.

>However I do appreciate your feedback a lot!

Why would "feedback" matter to you? Unless you're a model, which I doubt you are. On the off chance that you are, though, please never consider charging $50/minute.
>>107743
but the problem is this. im not paying for the camera. im not paying for a camera crew. they dont even have all of that. lets keep it one hundred here. they film it themselves with their cell phones or a slightly better camera. what they paid for the camera is not my concern. chances are they already had it when i bought my video and if not im not about to foot the bill for it. not only that most of the videos are trash. they can be 4K, UHD, whatever, it doesnt change the terrible acting and the fact that most models look and act as if theyd rather be doing something else. for all that they charge they should have better attitudes.

>>107748
i mean actually even $20/min is stupid. TBH i think anything over $10/min is ridiculous considering what all youre getting. some of these "customs" are what they do anyway if we really get down to it. most customs amount to women overeating or masturbating or both. thats what they would do in regular videos and they go on to sell customs on their site so they really are making money hand over fist here. thats ridiculous. and the thing is i cant help but feel that the community has spoken and they dont get that outrageous amount. they just keep on trying to charge it anyway in hopes that one person will pay it.
>>107743
It was never intend to be any discussion in the first place.
Proper equipment is a part of the process of making good content. Locations and script do matter. I am not going to elaborate on what production consists of.

>>107748

It wouldn't be a scum. It is a level at which making quality content is profitable.
There are ALREADY people who can afford that rate in the community. But their amount is still too low for us to produce that content. So once the community as a whole is ready, it comes. Some members of the community are ready. But majority, including you, are not ready yet.

It is 2019 1080p is already quite outdated. Yes, people already ask for 4k content. And ppl also ask for VR bbw content.

"Just fine" is not good enough for high end content. Ince again, it is not about making another mediocre content. It is about pro level high quality content. The actual demand for it in a community is not big enough yet. (demand is desire to buy combined with ability to buy)

>>107754

First of all, you always split the bill for whatever takes to produce the goods you get. When you buy food you pay to farmers, manufacturer, store workers, all their rent and even delivery truck's gas. It is how economy works. I used to hate it too until I realized how it works.

You see, you are not satisfied with what is here now. Once you and some considerable amount of people in the community are ready fo pay at $50+ rate - you'll get content of another level.
It is not only about resolution. Picture quality depends on other things as well.
You don't like shitty acting - you'll get good acting.

Again, we are not doing it yet. Not until the demand is high enough. And it is not about mediocre content, it is about the very top-notch, professionally made content.
>>107762
Take your fucking greedy disgusting comments and kindly fuck off.

'community isn't ready'

Fucking greedy cunt. Get it through your fucking thick skull. WE ARE NOT PAYING $50/minute for your camera gear when the content of the videos are shit tier and doesn't need to be 4k HD Ultra super quality.

Now get the fuck, bloody scumbag.
Honestly, Id say the script is more important than the production value. There are plenty of grainy videos out there that are amazing because of the model or the content. I'm not sure the fan base will ever be "ready" to pay ridiculous prices when these other videos still exist. Spend more time in making a better video than making it look nice. But if you find a consistent consumer base with more money than brains, more power to you.
>>107764

How many times do I need to repeat that we are not doing it. Community is not ready yet, so we are NOT doing it.
Relax pal, take a deep breathe, no one is forcing you to buy anything. Nor there was a question of "would you like too..." in this thread.

You don't need to prove me anything. It is not happening. Talking bout a thick scull. I've been telling "it is not happening" for two days.

it is going to happen when community as a whole is ready. It is not ready. I am perfectly AWARE of that. I figured it out about a year ago, when the project was in pre-productional research stage and we did a proper survey.

>>107765
Yes! And good script with proper production make fantastic results. There is some demand, but it is not big enough to justify production yet.
Holy fucking hell, you guys get way too heated about the dumbest shit on this board. Let ur boner cool down a touch and get a hobby
>>106424
Idk how this went from trying to help other members out of who to avoid, and who makes good custom clips to this degenerate mess. Listen if you don’t want to pay the price you simply don’t have to get the custom but don’t complain. And if I want to spend 2 or 3 thousand on a custom Video, well then that’s what I’ll do. We can never have good threads because it always gets way out of line and off topic.
>>107762
no. i am not splitting the bill. it is not a matter of "the community is not ready". thats a bad choice of words. the community will never be ready. ill be the first to say i dont have $2K to drop on a video but not only that if i did id want more. id want to be there for filming and actually direct it not drop $2K and then get it when she deems it ready. not only that maybe you dont realize how much $2K is. lets take a model name. miss mara / winkingdaisys is actually doing a tour where shell have sex with people for $500/hr. you really think id pay $2K for her to mail me a video whenever as opposed to actually living it? these women need to get a clue.

i say again, i dont care about the quality. im sick and tired of spending money on videos that suck. oh the quality is 4K, i can count every hair on her head but she cant act. shes obviously reading a script. not trying to act and reading a script. shes laughing at the lines as if to make fun of the person who not only wrote it but put a great deal of time into it and paid her a fortune for it. models need to realize it isnt about quality. so what if so and so asked for 4K. video quality isnt all that people are looking for. they also want decent acting and none of these models deliver.

and i say again, youd be surprised how many women try to get that kind of money for grainy cell phone quality videos. no one knows anything until the videos are sent.
>>107791

Ahem.. Ok, first of all, splitting the bill is not something you can agree or disagree with. It is the way economy works. Even if production facility, that makes product you buy was built before you were born, a fraction of its cost and/or price of its maintenance still considered to be included in the price you pay. Some businesses do not account that, but that expenses still come out of their profits , accounted or unaccounted for. Sometimes people may ask their customers to split the bill, making it optional. But most of the time it is already in price.

Bad choice of words...well, probably I should be more blunt about it. We used a less appealing terms when we received survey results. According to our survey there is approximately 25% percent willing and capable of paying this rate. I personally estimate it to be lower, as it was just a survey. Another ±20% percent expressed interest in content but admitted to be unable to afford that price rate at a time. Approximately 40% percent are unwilling to pay that rate, their ability to afford it unknown. Others either refused to answer or provided data, that can't be distinguishably accounted for either of the choices. It was approximately 4000 thousand people taking part in the survey both times.

On a side note, the amount of people able and willing to buy at this rate grew 2% since 2017.

I am not going to convince anyone in anything. I believe that to be ineffective practice. I am unwilling to share my true feelings about those 40%. I choose the term "community is yet unready" to avoid sounding bitter and offensive.

You say you dont care about quality, but you share actually constructive feedback on what you don't like. Decent acting and proper script, as well as certain level of dedication to the process are components of final product quality.
Those things are what I talked about mentioning quality. It is beyond image resolution.

Responsibility, warranties and proper delivery schedule are qualities of the service. And no, we never considered "delivery-as-we-please" with this rate.

Thanks anyway.
Sage this shit and move on
>>107809
So basically I’m picking up that you’re some rich insane guy who drops stacks on porn that’s not even worth $10. Amirite?
>>107809
you speak alot about this as if you know. what i mean by that is im assuming you are someone within the industry since youre talking about surveys and so on. i think that we have a serious misunderstanding here. youre probably talking high quality porn like if i get someone like hitomi tanaka to do a custom video for me. in that case i should expect to pay out the neck even though my point remains. for all that money id want to spend time with her and live out the fantasy not have some video. i think the misunderstanding here is that none of us are talking about that. people like bigcutie brianna and miss mara / winkingdaisys arent putting out top quality content. lets be honest. the videos they drop are worth $20 at the very most and thats being generous. most of these models overcharge on the videos. that cannot be argued. you can justify it all you like and you can have surveys all you like. im speaking from what i see. i see models charging, swearing they are just bombarded with custom videos, vanishing, ripping people off and then producing two or three videos after months upon months of silence. these are not people like what you speak of. you sound like a studio or something like that. im talking about some lady running this out of her home. im sure we can both agree that things are very different when buying from such a difference in the model from quality in video to acting. the acting may suck either way but the quality will most definitely be impacted just as there would be more editing and more care getting it right. thats why im having a hard time understanding where the debate is here. if youre talking studios they have nothing to do with this. if youre talking models the rules are different, they are not entitled to that kind of money no matter what excuse they want to produce and thats what most people agree. at least thats my understanding.
>>107762
Yes, it would definitely be a scam. If you bought so much equipment that you need to charge $50/minute for it to be profitable, that's your own problem. That doesn't mean that it's worth it for anyone to actually pay that much for a single minute of footage, no matter how good the videos being produced are. It is impossible for ANY porn video to be worth that much money.
>>107767
>it is going to happen when community as a whole is ready. It is not ready. I am perfectly AWARE of that.

What you need to be aware of, and what everyone in this thread is trying to tell you, is that the community is never going to be "ready" to pay $50 per minute. There is never going to be a point in time when the majority of the community is willing to get ripped off. As it stands now there's even a large amount of people in the community who think the current average prices are too high.

Sure, there may be some people who are rich or desperate enough to pay that much, but most people will always just laugh when they see a price that stupidly high.
I was a web model for 10 years. The only money I ever spent for filming customs & skype shows was a cheap webcam. I used to tell guys I should be paying them for getting me off lol.
Did anyone order anything from breanna?

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